Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum

HalfaDave Sun Jun 18, 2023 8:42 am

Hi All,
40min drive W of here is a great museum.
Free for Fathers, on Father's Day. (they make more on donations that day, than admissions Cool

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At 95, Dad did not want to go again, this year.
Reminds me of all the times we went together to the museum in years' past...
Many Airshows...
Many Father's Days...
Got him flying in the 'greenhouse' TigerMoth and the 'bubble' Chipmunk. Cool

The Lancaster and B-25 Mitchell flew by yesterday, several times.
Hard to hear them coming, but awesome power full sound watching them go by.
Check out the aircraft they fly/work on:
https://www.warplane.com/aircraft/collection.aspx
The Lancaster is booked till mid 2024... Smile

I would like to touch down on Lake Ontario in the Canso, troll from the aft bubble canopies, catch a few salmon and trout... Smile

Amazing projects they work on.
I have liked visiting when they are in 'working' hours.
The maintaining and restoring is amazing.
If you have stood by a 7ft dia Lancaster wheel, and wondered how/ why, it could retract...
You might understand.
And they run 'inlines' and 'radials'.... Cool

Every one, has heard of/ run, a Cox engine...
I'll let that sink in...
Take care,
Have fun,
Dave

rsv1cox Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:22 pm

Thanks for sharing Dave. Enjoyed the tour, the F-86 Sabre Jet and the "Yellow Jacket" F-104 favorites.

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Kids here for Fathers Day, All chipped in and got me a 25" Stihl chain saw, compliments the 16" they got me several years ago that is well used. Big one will take down the trees too big for the little one. Also wouldn't be Fathers day without some sort of model airplane.

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getback Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:56 am

Thanks Dave interesting aircraft there , can see why you would bee excited about going and year after year w/Dad can't beat that ! Thumbs Up

GallopingGhostler Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:31 am

I liked reading the history on Canada's only manufactured jet fighter of the late 1950's from Dave's link (thanks for sharing, Dave): Thumbs Up

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This aircraft was revolutionary as it fulfilled a role of night and inclimate weather fighter that was head and shoulders above what other nations had at the time. Had the CA government decide to invest more in their local aircraft manufacturing with the Canada Forces instead of opting for imported aircraft, Sad

we may have seen even greater results.

BTW, this aircraft would make a nice control line or R/C aircraft with an engine and spinner in the nose to maintain its jet looks. Rightly proportioned, one could make it rival the infamous Stuka Stunt or Jetco Sabre. Very Happy

HalfaDave Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:06 pm

Hi gg,
The CF-100 is big ! Big ladder, just to see the cockpit. The huge 'cowls' helped develop the Orenda jet engines.
I was at a BalsaBeavers CL club meeting.
Guy brings in his new profile scale one, with two then new 'electric ducted fans', everyone doubted.
Showed up with a flawless black finish, blew every one away. That was 20 yrs ago.
To stay on topic,
I remember my first visit to the museum.
A big scary radial engine. (I could start, and run a Cox .049 at the time)
Over the decades now, that engine will power an Avenger.
Amazing project. I thought the engine was huge ! An Avenger will need all that power. It is even bigger than you think !

Last time there, they were plugging tank leaks, going for a taxi run...
And far off, but yet, going to get it flying, every step of the way.
The maintaining people are great.
And keep the museum going.
With us,
Hope you have a museum near you,
Take care,
Have fun,
Dave

GallopingGhostler Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:44 pm

Hello Dave, we don't have an aircraft museum here locally, but Cannon Air Base only 12 miles from my house has static display aircraft throughout the base. There are a pair of C-130's near the front gate. By the Main Exchange shopping plaza, they have an F-105 "Thud", an F-86, may be a total of a half dozen aircraft for viewing. In the City of Clovis along the main highway through town, they have an F-111 static display on a pylon with landing gear retracted.

May be 20 years ago, when my mother was living in the Omaha, Nebraska area, we went to an aviation museum west of the city. There, we got to see the B-47 and B-36, plus other aircraft. I think they also had a retired B-1B there, too. B-36 is a good size airplane.

Found this interesting and a crying shame regarding the Canadian aircraft industry from:
Wikipedia: Avro Canada CF-105 Arrow

Wikipedia wrote:On 20 February 1959, Prime Minister of Canada John Diefenbaker abruptly halted the development of both the Arrow and its Iroquois engines before the scheduled project review to evaluate the program could be held.[4] Canada tried to sell the Arrow to the US and Britain, but no agreements were concluded.[5] Two months later the assembly line, tooling, plans, existing airframes, and engines were ordered to be destroyed. The cancellation was the topic of considerable political controversy at the time, and the subsequent destruction of the aircraft in production remains a topic for debate among historians and industry pundits. "This action effectively put Avro out of business and its highly skilled engineering and production personnel scattered".[6]

That was a travesty of injustice, IMO, a death knell to the promising Canadian aerospace industry. Mad

HalfaDave Wed Jun 21, 2023 6:37 am

Hi gg,
After Sputnik, the Avro Arrow people moved on to help get man on the moon. (with their slide rulers !)

I Like small museums. Whatever the subject/town. Pure history.
Somehow,
I am facinated by landing gears, walking around the planes, and the complex stuff to get them to retract.
I've seen a B-52. Wow. Can only imagine a B-36. Cool

Take offs are optional, landings are manditory. Smile

Why the Canadair Water Bomber is not in full production, bothers me. Hello !
Anyways...
Take care,
Have fun,
Dave

GallopingGhostler Thu Jun 22, 2023 1:05 am

HalfaDave wrote:Why the Canadair Water Bomber is not in full production, bothers me.

That is a good question, because it is extremely effective in what it does, especially if a body of water is very close so it can quickly refill it's water storage. That type of turn around is much more effective than a larger aircraft that must travel a great distance away to an active airport, plus replenish its water cargo prior to returning.

Slide rules built these buildings and aircraft.

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Photos from a Quora post.

NEW222 Thu Jun 22, 2023 9:00 pm

Great saws there Bob, and well, the plane is also a great touch.

NEW222 Thu Jun 22, 2023 9:04 pm

I know the feeling Dave. I am about an hour away from the Western Canadian Aviation Museum here. The new building is awesome. The most favorite for me is the plane that is mostly not present. The 'Ghost Of Charron Lake', a Fokker Universal. It is in a 'box' I believe and they have a great video of it and how they got it back here too.

https://royalaviationmuseum.com/aircraft/fokker-universal-g-cajd-the-ghost-of-charron-lake/

HalfaDave Thu Jun 22, 2023 9:46 pm

Hi gg,
~20yrs ago, Dad and I went to the last Museum Airshow here.
Line ups to get into any display aircraft were long.
Somehow, we found this one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_CP-140_Aurora
I noticed the 5 blade props.
The 'crew' were amazing.
Explained sono buoys, etc. mission/rescue they were on. Stoked on the upgraded power/range they had.
Same airplane, that flies through hurricanes.
By the time I got to the cockpit,
Dad was in the pilot seat, having a great time. Smile

Just a story from here...
Museums, are great.
Cannot warp history.
Take care,
Have fun,
Dave

GallopingGhostler Thu Jun 22, 2023 10:23 pm

HalfaDave wrote:Somehow, we found this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_CP-140_Aurora. I noticed the 5 blade props. The 'crew' were amazing. Explained sono buoys, etc. mission/rescue they were on. Stoked on the upgraded power/range they had. Same airplane, that flies through hurricanes.

Dave, now that you mentioned it, Thanks

the few videos I saw of the Canadian (sub chaser?) aircraft in flignt, searching for the missing Titanic sight seeing submersible, shows engine nacelle over the wing taken from a viewport in the fuselage rear. It is definitely not a C-130.

It could very well be the CP-140 you are referring to. Also just found out, my condolences. The 5 man crew of that submersible perished, imploded pieces of the vessel were discovered on ocean bottom, 1,600 feet from the Titanic by an underwater robot drone.

https://www.reuters.com/world/search-intensifies-titanic-sub-with-only-hours-oxygen-left-2023-06-22/ Titanic sub destroyed in 'catastrophic implosion,' all five aboard dead

Reuters webpage above has an update with the latest info.

HalfaDave Sun Jun 25, 2023 2:22 am

Hi NEW222,
Thanks for the link to the very cool Winnipeg museum. Cool

There is allot more than 'Wop May' about early aircraft in the 'Great White North'....
The Fairchild 71 seems to be a weird missing link, in the evolution of, wood/wire/doped cloth planes, to the Beaver/Otter/others.
Thanks. Smile

GG,
The Canadian Aurora was over the Titanic, dropping sono buoys within hours, not days.
Could be the same plane Dad and I were on. Shocked

Doubt the same crew.
It is another world.
Take care,
Have fun,
Dave

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