Re: Occupy Wall Street Protesters

SuperDave Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:09 am

nemoskull:

Being familiar with Yuma I can tell you, as you surely know, that is a Mecca for "snowbirders" who gravitate there during the winter months. With them comes an influx of money which surely they must spend on the necessities of life. That influx of $$$$ flow throughout the Yuma area generating jobs and tax revenues. If your comments applied to the months of summer heat your comments understandable in the absence of the "snowbirders" who have "flown away" to cooler climates to the north.

Here in Washington State there are any number of individuals who suppliment their retirement incomes by developing "cottage indusrtries" based our of their homes. For example, one retired pharmasist of my accquiantance builds and sells finely-crafted wooden cutting boards for kitchen use. He uses cutting scraps from a wood-laminating business in a local community, takes them home then hand-crafts the cutting boards selling them in varying price ranges from $10 to $100 with custom-custom boards going for more. The boards are marketed through gift shops throught western Washington. They are selling well as Christmas approaches.

Another retired friend is a wedding photographer, another repairs antique clocks, another restores old cars..................... So, in essense, it is hard for me to believe that Yuma is devoid of similarly talented people. Everyone is handed challenges in life yet some handle them a lot better than others.

Government can not create wealth; wealth is generated from inviduals and businesses who seek opportunities and act upon them. Personally, if I were to be deprived of my retirement incomes there are any number of my job skills that could be utilized to fill the void. My greatest asset however is my general good health.

Those lacking in ambition AND good health are caught in a double-bind. The former is usually curable; the later is not.

nitroairplane Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:03 am

SuperDave wrote:nemoskull:

Being familiar with Yuma I can tell you, as you surely know, that is a Mecca for "snowbirders" who gravitate there during the winter months. With them comes an influx of money which surely they must spend on the necessities of life. That influx of $$$$ flow throughout the Yuma area generating jobs and tax revenues. If your comments applied to the months of summer heat your comments understandable in the absence of the "snowbirders" who have "flown away" to cooler climates to the north.

Here in Washington State there are any number of individuals who suppliment their retirement incomes by developing "cottage indusrtries" based our of their homes. For example, one retired pharmasist of my accquiantance builds and sells finely-crafted wooden cutting boards for kitchen use. He uses cutting scraps from a wood-laminating business in a local community, takes them home then hand-crafts the cutting boards selling them in varying price ranges from $10 to $100 with custom-custom boards going for more. The boards are marketed through gift shops throught western Washington. They are selling well as Christmas approaches.

Another retired friend is a wedding photographer, another repairs antique clocks, another restores old cars..................... So, in essense, it is hard for me to believe that Yuma is devoid of similarly talented people. Everyone is handed challenges in life yet some handle them a lot better than others.

Government can not create wealth; wealth is generated from inviduals and businesses who seek opportunities and act upon them. Personally, if I were to be deprived of my retirement incomes there are any number of my job skills that could be utilized to fill the void. My greatest asset however is my general good health.

Those lacking in ambition AND good health are caught in a double-bind. The former is usually curable; the later is not.

"snowbirders"? I am guessing you means snowboarders as one i can tell you that a lot of us/them simply travel around in there trucks and live off cheap food they bring or buy.
Not everyone can create jobs for themselves!

SuperDave Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:59 pm

nitro:

No referenece to "snowboarders" intended.

A "snowbird", an American ideiom, is a person who goes south for the winter like actual birds of the feathered type. "Snowbirds" (of the human type) flock to places like Arizonia.

Did I ever say that everyone can create a job? (NO) But I DID say many enterprizing people do and cited serveral of my acquaintances as examples. Yet there are others than would rather have the government support them through tax dollars paid by guess who?

I knew retirement was was in my future and I planned accordingly. Just how generous would you have me be with those who didn't plan? (Yes, I DO donate to charitable organizations to help the truely needy)

nitroairplane Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:39 pm

Sorry I am just so exite about snowboarding this year I am ready to talk about it Smile

But yeah ain't that how cox was founded?
A man started in his shed then owned a company who made more engines than the top 3 car makers!

SuperDave Thu Dec 01, 2011 2:34 pm

nitro:

You don't seem to understand that the "Occupyers" don't want to start a business or even work but rather they want things given to them by taxpayers. Isn't that their idea of "social and economic justice" in the name of "equity"?

Please tell us where such a system as ever worked.

nitroairplane Thu Dec 01, 2011 2:36 pm

I don't know!
And frankly I am beyond caring because in short I am not terribly affected and it won't kill me or most people for that matter.

SuperDave Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:49 pm

Then as a "snowboarder" you'll probably enjoy the ride "downhill" when the Occupy crowd gets it's way. Just remember what's waiting for you at the bottom of the "hill".

nitroairplane Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:55 pm

SuperDave wrote:Then as a "snowboarder" you'll probably enjoy the ride "downhill" when the Occupy crowd gets it's way. Just remember what's waiting for you at the bottom of the "hill".

A lift ride back up to the top and repeat!

John Goddard Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:06 am

I think I'd rather live somewhere where the citizens do have the ability to protest.

After all with out protest no Boston Tea Party.
Mind you, why anyone wouldn't want to be governed by an unelected bunch of inbred
halfwitts is totally beyond me?
God save the Queen
and all who sail in her

lol!

SuperDave Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:23 am

John:

I don't believe that anyone here is challenging the right to protest. It's when protests involve the confiscation and/or destruction of propery, public and private, the problem arises.

Protesters like nothing better than to be "bloodied" by law enforcement officers with TV cameras rolling. A "comic opera" ensues as protesters roll in mock agony as others gather around with their protest signs.

Monty Python would be proud of the displays.

John Goddard Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:38 am

SuperDave wrote:John:

I don't believe that anyone here is challenging the right to protest. It's when protests involve the confiscation and/or destruction of propery, public and private, the problem arises.

Protesters like nothing better than to be "bloodied" by law enforcement officers with TV cameras rolling. A "comic opera" ensues as protesters roll in mock agony as others gather around with their protest signs.

Monty Python would be proud of the displays.

A student of Monty Python Dave I'm lovin it.
Laughing

SuperDave Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:56 am

Yes, John I am a huge fan of of Monty Python style humor.

It would seem the fundamental issue between the America colonies and the British Empire was taxation impossed without representation in the British House of Commons, which BTW was then and now, an elected body. Then Prime Minister William Pitt (the elder) took a firm stand against Colonial representation in Commons and the American Revolution ensued.

Had Pitt taken a more consiliatory stand, the American Revolution wouldn't have happened when it did. (As to "inbred half-wits" are you refering to the British House of Lords?)

John Goddard Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:19 am

The House Of Lords David? How Very dare you?
Laughing

No I was referring to (gotta be careful in case I get dragged off to the gallows...) the Royal
Family. Don't forget we have a 'Constitutional Monarchy' whatever that may be?
I was talking to one of our oldest customers recently who for reasons best known to her has
decided to become one of us even though she's outta Chicago originally.
Long story short, after her 'Citizens exam' during a chat with her invigilator the subject came up
and she asked him what it was? He said "We'll of course it isn't written like your own it's more
of an understanding" . God bless Diane she replied,- "Listen Buddy it ain't on paper, you ain't got
it'...
Bottom line if Her/His Maj don't like it we don't get.

One of the best examples of this is when Mr Blair thought they'd ban fox hunting here.
They even 'succeeded' in getting it through the house, guess what?
Even though it's ostensible illegal now it still continues can you guess why?
I've got to stop now I'm may be wandering towards treason here Very Happy

SuperDave Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:50 am

John:

As in so many things British. tradition weighs heavilly. Fox hunting is the provence of the entreched nobility not the common Britsh commoner much like horse racing in America where a wealthy "elite" prevails in grand style.

No you do not have a "constitional" democracy in a single document but one the has evolved in a series of documents beginning with the 1215 Magna Charta and on from there. Our US Constitution as seen only 28 Amendments since it's approval in 1789.
But our Constition and the Amendments are always subject to review and interpretation by SCOTUS (Supreme Court of the United States).

I believe that there are many advantages in a Parliamentary democracy even though some Brits still revere "The Stone of Scone" of which I'm sure you are familiar. Smile

Two that I particularlly admire are the six-week political campaign limit and the "vote of confidence" mechanism.

But I'm rambling from "Occupy". As soon as they state their specific objectives I'll pay more attention. As it is now I see "Occuy"as a thinly disguised Socialist movement to the Left.

Robin Hood would be proud, eh?

John Goddard Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:21 am

SuperDave wrote:John:

As in so many things British. tradition weighs heavilly. Fox hunting is the provence of the entreched nobility not the common Britsh commoner much like horse racing in America where a wealthy "elite" prevails in grand style.

No you do not have a "constitional" democracy in a single document but one the has evolved in a series of documents beginning with the 1215 Magna Charta and on from there. Our US Constitution as seen only 28 Amendments since it's approval in 1789.
But our Constition and the Amendments are always subject to review and interpretation by SCOTUS (Supreme Court of the United States).

I believe that there are many advantages in a Parliamentary democracy even though some Brits still revere "The Stone of Scone" of which I'm sure you are familiar. Two that I particularlly admire are the six-week political campaign limit and the "vote of confidence" mechanism.

But I'm rambling from "Occupy". As soon as they state their specific objectives I'll pay more attention. As it is now I see "Occuy"as a thinly disguised Socialist movement to the Left.

Robin Hood would be proud, eh?

Shame we can't do this over a beer or three Dave.
If you enjoy history I read a daft but entertaining book recently re the earlier exploits of Bob Loxley during
the crusades. I can't remember off hand what it's called but I'll dig it out when I get home from 'work'.
J

John Goddard Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:30 am

I knew it would come..
Holy Warrior
Angus Donald

SuperDave Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:59 am

John:

Yes I enjoy history tremendously and did in my 30 year profession as a high school teacher.

I taught not so much dates but causes and effects following a Socratic vein whenever
possible. The of course frustrated those who got "A's" in history by memorizing dates.

"What you want to do? Cause us to think?" Very Happy

SuperDave Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:09 pm

I find it more than interesting that the media doesn't interview the Occupy protesters. Could it be because they have little substance to say; "whining" makes for poor copy in the media.

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