Occupy Wall Street Protesters

indra:

Quite apparreny you don't understand the motivation behind WWII "Kamizi's" or Islamic terrorists of today who sacrifice themselves willingly for "the cause".

The Japanese "Code of the Warrior" (Bushido) was "To die for the Emperor is to live forever; the Islamic terrorist is no less dedicated to self-sacrifice as the Koran promises certain "benefits", like seven virgins, in the afterlife. Read the Koran for yourself and see if "im not correct. Ever hear of a "Jihaad" (holy war)?

Remember the Islamic terrorists responsibe for the attacks on 9/11? Did they not die willingly for Allah?

Don't tell us that terrorists are concerned with their futures as you have in your message.

Absolute pure rubbish!

Martyrdoom is a powerful incentive in some cultures and religions.

SuperDave wrote:



indra:

Quite apparreny you don't understand the motivation behind WWII "Kamizi's" or Islamic terrorists of today who sacrifice themselves willingly for "the cause".

The Japanese "Code of the Warrior" (Bushido) was "To die for the Emperor is to live forever; the Islamic terrorist is no less dedicated to self-sacrifice as the Koran promises certain "benefits", like seven virgins, in the afterlife. Read the Koran for yourself and see if "im not correct. Ever hear of a "Jihaad" (holy war)?

Remember the Islamic terrorists responsibe for the attacks on 9/11? Did they not die willingly for Allah?

Don't tell us that terrorists are concerned with their futures as you have in your message.

Absolute pure rubbish!

Martyrdoom is a powerful incentive in some cultures and religions.

This I know but could the same not be achived without the death of a "supporter" that thinks they wont go to J'hanam and in heven will get 72 virgins.
yes it is useful but some COULD devise a way to get the same effect without the loss.
Did you mean kamikazis?

kamikazis?

Yes, I was becoming flustered when I wrote it incorrectly.

But you are missing the point that death with honor for "the cause" is highly venerated. Islamic Jihhad most noteably.

SuperDave wrote:kamikazis?

Yes, I was becoming flustered when I wrote it incorrectly.

But you are missing the point that death with honor for "the cause" is highly venerated. Islamic Jihhad most noteably.

I know but there MUST be a better way, maybe not for those who take part in suicide attacks but maybe for those who fund and organise them.

Indra:

Do these names look familiar to you? Khalid al-Mihdhar, Nawaf al-Hazmi, Mohamed Atta, Marwan al-Shehhi, and Ziad Jarrah?

These are the al-Queda perps and pilots of the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center in NYC on 9/11/01. They willingly died for Allah, taking along several other thousand inncocent people then and in the months/years to follow.

What "better way" to terrorize the world?

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SuperDave wrote:kamikazis?

I know but there MUST be a better way, maybe not for those who take part in suicide attacks but maybe for those who fund and organise them.

They show no inclination towards rational thinking, making that unlikely. So far they are apparently, in the words of Ronald Reagan on inauguration day 1981, a bunch of barbarians.

Rusty:

Rational thought is not the provence of fanatics though Indra implues so in his previous remarks (which see).

A "Jihaadist" is bent on detruction of anyone opposing the will of Allah even if it means sacrificing their own lives in the process. "Allah akbar" (Allah is good) is an oft heard refrain. Remember Mohammed Atta, pilot of one of the 9/11 terrorist planes, Major Nidal Hassan after the Fort Hood, Texas shootings, Richard Reed, the "shoe bomber"..........................................

Who is anyone kidding here? Jihaddists will take out anyone at anytime if they see it as advancing their cause. Face it squarely and realize that other cultures operate from an entirely different value system than most Americans. Witness the radical Muslim element.

BTW, Not ALL Muslims are radicals but the Mullahs (spiritual leaders) in the ME certainly are. Until Muslims repress the Mullahs influence nothing will change for world betterment.

BBTW: Islam is the religion while a Muslim is "one who submits" to Islam.

SuperDave wrote:Rusty:

Rational thought is not the provence of fanatics though Indra implues so in his previous remarks (which see).

A "Jihaadist" is bent on detruction of anyone opposing the will of Allah even if it means sacrificing their own lives in the process. "Allah akbar" (Allah is good) is an oft heard refrain. Remember Mohammed Atta, pilot of one of the 9/11 terrorist planes, Major Nidal Hassan after the Fort Hood, Texas shootings, Richard Reed, the "shoe bomber"..........................................

Who is anyone kidding here? Jihaddists will take out anyone at anytime if they see it as advancing their cause. Face it squarely and realize that other cultures operate from an entirely different value system than most Americans. Witness the radical Muslim element.

BTW, Not ALL Muslims are radicals but the Mullahs (spiritual leaders) in the ME certainly are. Until Muslims repress the Mullahs influence nothing will change for world betterment.

BBTW: Islam is the religion while a Muslim is "one who submits" to Islam.

Yeah,
"AllahAkbar, God is great"
Yeah the radicalists are mad SOB's

The protesters are gone.

Dude:

Gone from where?

The Occupy protesters probably went home to Mommy and Daddy's for Thankgiving to rev up for "The National Day of Protest" billed for Black Friday.

Just a thought.

Yeah I still se them!

SuperDave wrote:Dude:

Gone from where?

The Occupy protesters probably went home to Mommy and Daddy's for Thankgiving to rev up for "The National Day of Protest" billed for Black Friday.

Just a thought.

From the state grounds for now.

You are probably right.

Although this topic has fallen off the page, it is my belief that it should be continued due to it's relevance to contemporay American and world affairs.

The journalist Thomas Sowell has as assembled a variety of pictures comparing the "Oppuy" protests with those of the Tea Party. The comparison is remarkable, not in their similarity but their differences. "Occupy" protestors are disruptive, dirty and disorganized focused on themselves. Nowhere in the pictures is a US flag to be seen.

Tea Party protests are mannerly, focused, have specific objectives and are openly patriotic.

Which faction will prevail over time and why?

(Care to speculate about "Occupy" protest on "Black Friday"?)

They have come back, apparently they had enough respect for the "tree lighting" and Thanksgiving.

The President gave a speech concerning thanksgiving, saying that the holiday was about "community". ??

It was (is) about the pilgrims, how they were starving, and how the Native Americans came to their aid. How they were saved, and especially how they gave THANKS to God for helping them in their most desperate time of need. Never, not even once, did he mention God. Praying was the majority of the pilgrim's lives, you can't just take it it out. He avoids it in the Deceleration of Independence also. It makes one wonder what kind of message he is trying to push across...

"We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights..."

As to the protesters, only time will tell. I do not see what the occupiers are going to accomplish.

I have changed the thread title to better suit the current discussion.

It`s hard to say what "Mr.President" has in mind or on his agenda...........I will leave it at that,it`s sort of off the subject,or a sub-topic perhaps.

Maybe if the protestors get organized and have a worthwile objective they may manage to do some good........if..........

Who knows, but if one takes no "action", the results are easy to predict

It's now been several months since the "Occupy" protests began.

Now "Occuy" is taking over foreclosed properties and has cost the public treasury millions of dollars and for what end? And so it is a "headess" movement without shape, form or clear purposes unlike any other in America's history.

Meanwhile the Congress and the President sit passively awaiting further developments.

What will they be?

Well apparently this is what it is about.

Anonymous asked: what’s the whole occupy thing about?

Anonymous:

It’s about people tired of being screwed over, tired of a government that represents the corporations instead of the people, tired of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. It’s a movement of the people who want their voices to be heard, to see real change, to live in an America they can be proud of.

There’s so much information out there about what’s going on, especially right here on Tumblr, so don’t rely on one big general statement about what “the whole occupy thing” is about. Read, watch, discuss, share. Educate yourself.

"to see real change, to live in an America they can be proud of." - Occupy protestor

I believe that there are far more Americans that are proud of their country than the protestor's sentiment seems to recognize.

Those people are successful because they have worked to get where they are; they are the very essense of what makes a great ation. If we were to follow the apparent scheme of the "Occupy" protestors, everything would be "fair" and "equal" whether one achieved or not. What happen to the connection between "rights" and "responsibilities"?

And just what do these protestors have to offer in a great nation? The achievers are busy working and paying taxes rather than protesting. Which will build a stronger and more successful nation in our ever-changing world?

Sign me in as a Proud American!

Our Freedom of Speech means you can express your views/opinions without prosecution.

It does not mean you can abuse/camp state property and defy laws and legal regulations, while "expressing" your opinion.

These people either are uneducated, or they don't care or see it as an issue.

Sign me in as well!

microflitedude wrote:Our Freedom of Speech means you can express your views/opinions without prosecution.

It does not mean you can abuse/camp state property and defy laws and legal regulations, while "expressing" your opinion.

These people either are uneducated, or they don't care or see it as an issue.

Sign me in as well!

I can't say sign me in for obvious reasons but yeah i still don't know why these people are here!

Occuyers use the same tired old whines without an definition.

Here in Washington State we have them in Olympia, our state capitol, too protesting a special session of hte State Legislature attempts to resolve an multi-billion dollar deficit problem. And, oh what a fracus has evoloved from the conflicting messages!

Protesters objecting to budget cuts and tax increases and cuts in social services.

in yuma the unemployment rate is hovering close to 30%, has been for a long time now.
there are 125,000 people living here. they had a 'occupy' rally on the corner of the busiest street in town.
fourteen people showed up.
if the nubmbers are even close to correct, there is 25,000 people without a job in yuma. so, what do we do?

i mow lawns. sometimes 5 bucks a pop. its bad, but still a profit.
i reinsulated my trailer. droped utility cost by 100.00 USD
my friend has a house he was trying to sell. now, he quit watering his grass, and uses only a window AC in one room. he drives a 3 cylinder justy. its a crappy car, but i envy it.
my grandmother makes quilts to sell. not real fast, but still a profit.
some grow their own food. the soil is real good.
a lot of people make food and sell it on the street.
we have 3 swatmeets in town.

i see not point in me complaining about it. i just focus on what i can do.