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Post  balogh Wed Dec 31, 2014 6:36 am

1/2A Nut wrote: Fireworks

FYI almost ready to test out the 1/2A Skorch will post a vid when the deed is done. Happy New Year
Ode to the .049 engine with the race number 49

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I see you run your TD 049 with a Tarnot carb instead of the TD050 R/C carb. I do not have very positive experience with my Tarnot, and while the 050 R/C carb allows smoother rpm and idle settings, even this can not match the NV 061 Big Mig carb (I must admit NV-s are from a very few perspective, the carb being the one, are better engineered for R/C purpose).

Also, how about you exhaust muffler? Is your TD a non-SPI configuration? My SPI engines - no wonder - suffocate when muffled, sucking their own exhaust gases back into the crank.

Next thing I am planning is a flight video with a key-chain camera mounted on the wing root of the Skorch/Seed, hopefully tomorrow weather permitting.
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I like to open the new year with a crazy flight (just like a year ago with the Toucan that I posted on youtube.) Weather today is so cold here (minus 10C with beautiful sunshine otherwise) that even the polar bears in the Budapest zoo pull their choke when restart for visitors in the morning.
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Post  1/2A Nut Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:03 am

In the pic:
- Galbraith head
- Nelson plug
- Tornado Carb with air bleed
- Red anodized aluminum carb body
- Tatone Muffler with pressure tap
- APC 4.75 x 4 prop with TD .09 spinner
- Phenolic thrust washer
- Non SPI .051 cylinder

I plan to run up the engine prior to going to the field to confirm good running performance.
I still have a few things to do might be able to fly this weekend we have a cold front here of 38 deg. F at the moment. This weekend it should warm up some Sunday may be my best day 5 to 10 mph winds 55 deg. F

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Post  1/2A Nut Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:11 am



Total engine run time from start up to empty tank was 6.03 mins on 1 oz 25% nitro.


With my google chrome this page starts it at 360 dpi and allows a reset up 720 / 60 fps HD

You may have to use the link to watch full screen 1080 / 60 fps HD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0Q0nFOCJtw

Stock TD .049 with Cox RC carb without the muffler Eyebrows

APC 4.75 x 4
In the hand prior to launch 19,380 rpm / 73.48 mph theoretical
In the air the engine ran steady I was getting 21.4 to 23.3k depending on wind direction
In the air 81.06 to 88.3 mph theoretical
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Post  balogh Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:48 am

Congrats 1/2A Nut a great vid a a brute flight....way faster than mine in the pic I showed above your post..I will rebuild mine to have a narrower fuse/less drag...I may opt for 2 carbon tubes of 6mm diameter to attach the tail to the body instead of the curled plywood body.
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Post  1/2A Nut Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:25 am

Thank you!

I was surprised your fuselage cracked mine has hit the ground at full throttle a few times and many other tumbles, no firewall or fuselage damage not even a cracked glue joint it has proved to be very tough. I buy ply from Sig and Midwest. I used the same ply for the Lil Speedy as well with no problems. Where did yours crack?

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Post  balogh Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:59 am

Mine broke right behind the rear former (behind the wind) in a nose-dive landing. I have never had any issues with the firewall or any other locations.

The truth is I could not get 0,8mm thick plywood right away when I got obsessed with the idea of building it so I glued two shets of 0,4mm together and this was not equivalent with the 0,8mm.
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Post  balogh Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:28 am

Hi 1/2A  Nut,

This time the fuse cracked just in front of the tail section so I thought I will chop it off and rebuild the tail section. But I figure it may be too short at the end and compromise the contrallability of the plane even if I reset the center of gravity.
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Maybe a bit larger stab and fin will balance the shorter tail as regards the controllability? My gut feeling it is not too far from something that still may fly..


What do you think, is it worth a try or I should rather go to a sports store and buy myself a baseball bat - to smash this fuse with it then -  to shape my next fuse on it instead of the snooker pole?
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Post  1/2A Nut Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:08 am

I moved the horizontal stab into posistion, note the arrows is the wing as far forward as possible?
This looks possible


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Post  balogh Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:08 am

Thanks for this, I will give it a try...(you have ruined the pattern of my carpet under the plane while relocating the horizontal stab...:-) )
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Post  akjgardner Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:17 am

Nice video.thanks for posting it.what size tank did you have to get that long of a flight?
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Post  1/2A Nut Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:26 pm

I used a 1oz plastic tank = )

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Post  balogh Wed Mar 25, 2015 2:30 am

[quote

In the hand prior to launch 19,380 rpm / 73.48 mph theoretical
In the air the engine ran steady I was getting 21.4 to 23.3k depending on wind direction
In the air 81.06 to 88.3 mph theoretical[/quote]

I gather this must be a non-SPI TD fit for a muffler application as the ground rpm is less than 20k?
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Post  balogh Wed Mar 25, 2015 2:32 am

1/2A Nut wrote:I used a 1oz plastic tank = )

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Thanks 1/2A Nut I would love to move the wing forward but the wing saddle cutout on the fuselage does not allow it.
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Post  balogh Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:16 pm

[quote="1/2A Nut"]I moved the horizontal stab into posistion, note the arrows is the wing as far forward  as possible?
This looks possible


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Had some time tonite to patch the tail parts together...looks kinda skortchy- stocky-sturdy.. I threw it testing in the bedroom and seems to fly well balanced...the full size mirror also survived.

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Weather permitting I will re-maiden it tomorrow.
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Post  1/2A Nut Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:30 pm

Too bad you cant move the wing forward a bit as it is more stumpy now = )

You could start on a better fuselage while flying this version then swap the wing and gear over to the new
fuselage when ready. The tail moment is still longer than a flying wing.

I took the Stumpy version and modified Popcorn


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Post  balogh Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:33 am

Thanks my next one will follow the contour you drew. I have already problems to jam the battery and the 50ccm balloon tank plus the electronics inside the fuse so tapering the nose will not make life easier.
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Post  1/2A Nut Sun Mar 29, 2015 8:08 am

Yes depending on what size gear you have there may be restrictions.

For the 5ch Skorch:
I was able to place 3 servos, RX, switch, the bottom 1/3rd of the flap and aileron servos and battery behind the landing gear former. Basicly from the leading edge of the wing to 1/4in behind the trailing edge of the wing all gear was placed for the 5ch set up. This leaves only the 1oz fuel tank in front of the landing gear forming to the firewall.

The same layout for the 3ch Lil Speedy all gear was placed in the wing saddle area other than the 1/2 oz fuel tank.


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The tank was pushed forward to make room for the RX.

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Post  1/2A Nut Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:08 pm

Here is TD .15 plane I will be building for the spring weather flying this one is made to blast through windy days.
I will use a exhaust throttle sleeve  Small Cox Logo

I call it Slim V -  the rendering is full size if you have a PC to HDMI to a 32 or 42in LCD or LED tv to view.

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Post  balogh Mon Mar 30, 2015 8:36 am

Great, sleek contour, I like it. It wont be simple - at least it would not be for me - to move the pushrods to the aft to reach the control horns?

Do you have a blueprint to build the plane on, or you just follow your routine and gut-feelings?

BTW my shortened Skortch still flies nicely, but I have servo problems re--occuring. Vibrations may be a reason, I already glued rubber bands onto the wing saddle to stop them.
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Post  1/2A Nut Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:15 pm

Just a rendering which is enough to do a box style fuselage and balsa blank wing with a spruce spar at the CG. Very simple build with ply sheet stock as the plane is very narrow for a TD 15 and needs the strength.

Good to hear yours is flying again! RC Plane

I wonder if my landing gear help cancel vibrations? Although the APC props are very good and never cause vibrations. I have mounted a APC 4.5 x 4 to try next the 4.75 x 4 has been working very well just looking to amp up the rpm.


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Post  1/2A Nut Sun Apr 12, 2015 12:24 am

Last weekend I took the TD high performance crank and tested in a engine I call the Killer TD
I bought a 1995 Killer Bee engine from ebay mint never ran I took the lightweight piston and cylinder off the engine and put it on a TD frame with the high performance crank, aluminum carb body, cox RC carb, phenolic thrust washer, Doug Galbreath glow plug adapter head with a Nelson plug to finish off the Killer TD. I didn't bench test it rather I mounted in the Skorch and took it to the flying field. I ran one rich run and then a second run a bit rich but not as near as the first run this is the results and video for those who like cox engines and for those that use them in RC planes like myself.

On the ground in the hand with the 4.5 x 4 it snarled its way up to 22,044 rpm.
Best pass today 24.1K for a theoretical 91.3 mph.

The modified Killer TD shows promise, perhaps 1 more rich flight to baby in a good break in and it should be ready to lean out to its best potential. I may add crankcase pressure the SPI function is thirsty with the lower weight piston. I think it will do 25k ish with the 4.5 x 4

The video was done with a new 16 MP / 60 fps (frames per second) camera.
If you have a good graphics card you can set to play in full screen 1080P HD for best viewing.

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Post  balogh Sun Apr 12, 2015 12:25 pm

Hey 1/2A Nut this was a great flight. I loved the sound of the Killer TD much more than the jetliner in the background.

I tached the engine with my smartphone and measured around 18k. Was this because of the rich NV setting?

At the end of the flight I thought it was lean when the engine run even slower but I agree it must have been a loose head...I also often experience loose heads after a 8-10 minutes flight on my TD051.

Unfortunately the Skorch I build with your help tends to generate some vibration mid-air and this keeps killing my servos. I have already glued rubber bands on the wing saddle but id did not help.

I need to look into it again or build a new fuselage. Until then I fly my Toucan.
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Post  1/2A Nut Sun Apr 12, 2015 1:19 pm

Depending (when) you tach check the engine as it was running richer as the engine broke in
Right before luanch in the hand 19,056 first pass 21,300 rpm

During the 2nd break in run
22,048 rpm on first start up took a few starts prior to launch

Best pass 24.1K with the engine thus far on two recorded break in flights.

Here is the first break in run:




In the above vid seconds before luanch 21.4K rpm - and best 23.7k


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Post  balogh Sun Apr 12, 2015 1:23 pm

Great!!! BTW I also calculated the theoretical speed, simply multiplying the rpm with the blade pitch, and obtained your value. But I guess this would only give meaningful result if air were not compressible, ...
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Post  1/2A Nut Sun Apr 12, 2015 1:30 pm

Try this RC Pro calculator I like using it:


http://www.rcpro.org/rccalc/PitchSpeed.aspx

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