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Cox Engine of The Month
Is it a Cox?
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Is it a Cox?
I was going through some of my grandmother's old stuff who is a bit of a collector/hoarder of anything she found at garage sales, flea markets, auctions, etc... I stumbled upon what I found later to be a tether car. Really cool stuff by the way, I had no idea what a tether car was until now; maybe found myself a new hobby. Anyway, researching ebay and other sites it looks just like the Roy Cox Champion Thimble Drome with the engine still in it. The one thing that makes me think it may not be real is that the bottom plate doesn't have any manufacturer information. Is this common? It looks very old, and actually had a neat little paper taped from the original owner with the top speed he/she got it up to. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks!
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vsharp98 wrote:I was going through some of my grandmother's old stuff who is a bit of a collector/hoarder of anything she found at garage sales, flea markets, auctions, etc... I stumbled upon what I found later to be a tether car. Really cool stuff by the way, I had no idea what a tether car was until now; maybe found myself a new hobby. Anyway, researching ebay and other sites it looks just like the Roy Cox Champion Thimble Drome with the engine still in it. The one thing that makes me think it may not be real is that the bottom plate doesn't have any manufacturer information. Is this common? It looks very old, and actually had a neat little paper taped from the original owner with the top speed he/she got it up to. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks!
pictures always help identify models/engines/cars etc.
welcome to the cox engine forum. happydad
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Re: Is it a Cox?
Welcome vsharp98.
Join us, sign up.
If that tether jewel piqued your interest
in the hobby, you've hit on the Mecca for
Cox information.
You allready have most of the members green
with envy.
Bob
Join us, sign up.
If that tether jewel piqued your interest
in the hobby, you've hit on the Mecca for
Cox information.
You allready have most of the members green
with envy.
Bob
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Follow Up pictures
Never posted pictures on a forum, let's see if this works:
Thanks again for everyone's help.
Thanks again for everyone's help.
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Re: Is it a Cox?
(Couldn't resist jumping back in on this one)
Is it genuine Cox? Probably not although others look similar.
A genuine Roy Cox Champion race car will be identified by lettering cast on the bottom section. Cox also made a lesser series called the "Special" and some of them WERE powered.
If you want more information just ask.
Is it genuine Cox? Probably not although others look similar.
A genuine Roy Cox Champion race car will be identified by lettering cast on the bottom section. Cox also made a lesser series called the "Special" and some of them WERE powered.
If you want more information just ask.
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Pictures
Let's try that again:
2012-12-04_22-27-40_886 by vsharp98, on Flickr
2012-12-04_22-27-50_758 by vsharp98, on Flickr
2012-12-04_22-28-02_742 by vsharp98, on Flickr
2012-12-04_22-27-40_886 by vsharp98, on Flickr
2012-12-04_22-27-50_758 by vsharp98, on Flickr
2012-12-04_22-28-02_742 by vsharp98, on Flickr
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Re: Is it a Cox?
The casting marks may well have been sanded or worn off.
For a good informational site go to: (edit) www.tlctethercar.com
I've done business with Gary Arnold and can speak very favorably of him.
(I have a nice Cox Champion race car sitting in front of me now)
For a good informational site go to: (edit) www.tlctethercar.com
I've done business with Gary Arnold and can speak very favorably of him.
(I have a nice Cox Champion race car sitting in front of me now)
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Re: Is it a Cox?
Wow, nice car. Made in China too, want to sell it.
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Re: Is it a Cox?
Could be a Doodle Bug with a Cameron .09 1948
http://www.mh-aerotools.de/airfoils/cox_frameset.htm
Link did not work but its in there under Model database, car
Another link to photo
http://www.tethercars.com/cox/cox-thimble-drome-gas-powered-tether-car/
http://www.mh-aerotools.de/airfoils/cox_frameset.htm
Link did not work but its in there under Model database, car
Another link to photo
http://www.tethercars.com/cox/cox-thimble-drome-gas-powered-tether-car/
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Re: Is it a Cox?
crankbndr wrote:Wow, nice car. Made in China too, want to sell it.
Ha! I didn't even realize that the back of the picture frame I put it on had that sticker.
I wasn't considering selling it just yet, but would be interested in knowing the value.
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Re: Is it a Cox?
Haven't we affirmed that the subject car is NOT of Cox manufacture which was the OP's question?
Taking it any farther is "highjacking".
I'm out.
Taking it any farther is "highjacking".
I'm out.
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Re: Is it a Cox?
Extremely Cool Nonetheless !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Is it a Cox?
Kim wrote:Extremely Cool Nonetheless !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks to everyone for their feedback. The links from crankbndr do look a lot like this car. Superdave, how do I know it's not a Cox?
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Re: Is it a Cox?
It looks like the car in this photo, Roy Cox Thimble Drome Doodle-Bug with Cameron .09 1948
or a very nice repo, not.
or a very nice repo, not.
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Re: Is it a Cox?
The other cool thing about it was the taped on note that someone left on it. It fell off while I was handling it, and I have to find it. It was about a 2" piece of paper with the typed words "S.F. Park 6?.??mph" (I can't remember the exact speed it quoted). What stinks is there was no date listed that I can recall.
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Re: Is it a Cox?
Sharp:
Because the car doesn't have the typical characteristics of a Cox Champion (letters cast into the bottom section of the car.
Mine reads: "Roy Cox
Thimble Drome
Champion
Santa Ana, Calif."
I received my #96 car as a promotion for selling newspaper subcriptions in the early '50's.
Over time it became a little battered and the cast aluminum accessory parts became broken.
Only recently I cleaned it throughly and replaced with broken parts. The paint and decals are all original and in good condition. I don't consider it "restored" because the paint shows minor scuff marks.
I even posted a picture of my car on CECF. I'll see it I can find it in the "Search" file.
Watch for an "edit" to follow.
edit: The picture is NLA in the "search" file. Sorry, it was posted several years ago
Because the car doesn't have the typical characteristics of a Cox Champion (letters cast into the bottom section of the car.
Mine reads: "Roy Cox
Thimble Drome
Champion
Santa Ana, Calif."
I received my #96 car as a promotion for selling newspaper subcriptions in the early '50's.
Over time it became a little battered and the cast aluminum accessory parts became broken.
Only recently I cleaned it throughly and replaced with broken parts. The paint and decals are all original and in good condition. I don't consider it "restored" because the paint shows minor scuff marks.
I even posted a picture of my car on CECF. I'll see it I can find it in the "Search" file.
Watch for an "edit" to follow.
edit: The picture is NLA in the "search" file. Sorry, it was posted several years ago
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Re: Is it a Cox?
It could also be refered to as "The lively art of conversation".SuperDave wrote:Haven't we affirmed that the subject car is NOT of Cox manufacture which was the OP's question?
Taking it any farther is "highjacking".
I'm out.
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Re: Is it a Cox?
SuperDave wrote:Haven't we affirmed that the subject car is NOT of Cox manufacture which was the OP's question?
Taking it any farther is "highjacking".
I'm out.
Whoa Dave, you're the only one that said its not real, I'm thinking it just might be? Is it possible it's a earlier version that didn't have a cast-in name on bottom?
re: Cox car ??
vsharp98 wrote:Let's try that again:
2012-12-04_22-27-40_886 by vsharp98, on Flickr
2012-12-04_22-27-50_758 by vsharp98, on Flickr
whatever manufacturer of the car, it is beautiful. thanks for the pics. happydad
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Re: Is it a Cox?
Ditto here !!! Now, let's go START that sucker !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Is it a Cox?
Yep, getting it running will be mine and my son's next project. Would there be identifying information inside the frame or on the engine?
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Re: Is it a Cox?
There might be, it would be interesting to see.
I'm not a expert on the cars as I've never really studied them, so I'm not 100% positive it is a Thimble-Drome. I know the Nylint repros do have that on bottom. I would suggest you surf a couple car sites and send them a email...if theres no ID on inside.
I'm not a expert on the cars as I've never really studied them, so I'm not 100% positive it is a Thimble-Drome. I know the Nylint repros do have that on bottom. I would suggest you surf a couple car sites and send them a email...if theres no ID on inside.
Re: Is it a Cox?
Mark:
Cox notoriously made "running changes" in production features.
I would ask of you, if you were in the market for an authentic powered Cox Champion race car would you be interested in the subject car shown? (If it were for sale)
As suggested upthread, I'm of the opinion that it is a Chinese "knock off". I've examined such and, once in your hand, the "fakery" is quite evident.
I value my authentic non-powered Cox Champion in the $350-$500 range. which is confirmed by selling (not asking) prices on "flea bay".
Check "flea bay" and see for yourself.
Cox notoriously made "running changes" in production features.
I would ask of you, if you were in the market for an authentic powered Cox Champion race car would you be interested in the subject car shown? (If it were for sale)
As suggested upthread, I'm of the opinion that it is a Chinese "knock off". I've examined such and, once in your hand, the "fakery" is quite evident.
I value my authentic non-powered Cox Champion in the $350-$500 range. which is confirmed by selling (not asking) prices on "flea bay".
Check "flea bay" and see for yourself.
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Re: Is it a Cox?
"Would there be identifying information inside the frame or on the engine?." - sharp
No, except for the engine manufacturers trade name. From the Cox factory the powered cars came with operating instructions which are probably long gone on yours.
No, except for the engine manufacturers trade name. From the Cox factory the powered cars came with operating instructions which are probably long gone on yours.
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SuperDave wrote:Mark:
Cox notoriously made "running changes" in production features.
I would ask of you, if you were in the market for an authentic powered Cox Champion race car would you be interested in the subject car shown? (If it were for sale)
As suggested upthread, I'm of the opinion that it is a Chinese "knock off". I've examined such and, once in your hand, the "fakery" is quite evident.
I value my authentic non-powered Cox Champion in the $350-$500 range. which is confirmed by selling (not asking) prices on "flea bay".
Check "flea bay" ans see for yourself.
I don't know if it's a knock off or not, but I'm guessing that those were more recent. I don't know how long they've been doing those though. The apparent age of this one and the typewriter printed note that was stuck to it, appear to be pretty old. I've wiped it down since to get back some of the shine. The car is pretty heavy too. Not trying to dupe anyone into buying it, just wanted to know what it is I have. Thanks.
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