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Post  Myk Mon May 27, 2024 6:08 pm

Hi, Well, my question is which came first? :-) The Champion or the Special?

I guess the Champion was first with it's Cameron Glow plug engine , and then the Special as the engine is considered the first Cox engine (mostly)

But there are ads that show both the Cox Thimble Drome Champion & Special on the same page.

The Thimble Drome Champion seems to just have come in 2 versions, powered and non powered, yes, in many color combos and chrome versions.

And there were quite a few variations of the Special Pusher (Non powered), with the fake exhaust pipe, and with out, different casting variations, Grill area, and different chassis widths, and there was an uncommon Clockwork wind up motor variation.

And I have never seen non powered Champion or Special packaging...

Any way, I find this all fascinating, but can not find a definitive time line for the creation and release dates of Roy Cox's first metal toy cars... I do know late 1940s it to the early 50s..

If any one has knowledge or where to find such info, it will be appreciated :-) thank you , ~Myk
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Post  crankbndr Mon May 27, 2024 6:55 pm

Here is a timeline from Martin Hepperle's website. Obviously a Cox fan. For some reason it is hard to link straight to the Cox info in his site.

Use this link to open his site then click on Cox engines on the left of page. Now your in the Cox info page click on "model database" then cars.
http://www.mh-aerotools.de/airfoils/index.htm


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Post  crankbndr Mon May 27, 2024 7:19 pm

After looking over the dates I don't think they are correct. The Special .045 came before the .09 Doodle Bug, the .15 Champion and the .19 Lightning Bug. The later three all Champion bodies.


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Post  Myk Mon May 27, 2024 7:36 pm

crankbndr wrote:Here is a timeline from Martin Hepperle's website. Obviously a Cox fan. For some reason it is hard to link straight to the Cox info in his site.

Use this link to open his site then click on Cox engines on the left of page. Now your in the Cox info page click on "model database" then cars.
http://www.mh-aerotools.de/airfoils/index.htm


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Wow, thank you ! Thats a big help! I'd love to know where he got his info.. Prob early catalogs or knew some one back when...

Ive been buying these in different variations from ebay at a detriment to may wallet, But I do find them fascinating, Now to find supplies to rebuild the 045 engines at some point..

Thank you again ! ~Myk :-)
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Post  Myk Mon May 27, 2024 7:44 pm

crankbndr wrote:After looking over the dates I don't think they are correct. The Special .045 came before the .09 Doodle Bug, the .15 Champion and the .19 Lightning Bug. The later three all Champion bodies.


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well, I understand the engine in the Champions are Cameron (like in the Rodzy) , and the Special motor was Cox's first inhouse engine, but it used some Anderson parts (Prob the cylinder & head, this is a guess)

So I was confused too... the Champion seems to be a much more sophisticated model, which made me think it came later,

but perhaps, cost cutting measures were needed, so along came the Special ... So no I don't think the dates are perfect but are close if not, and there may be other variations of the special, This is what I'm trying to figure out...

and how the non motorized Specials were packaged.... if at all...

And thank you again! ~Myk
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Post  crankbndr Mon May 27, 2024 8:45 pm

Kinda funny even though made by Cameron Thimble Drome was on the crankcase.

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Post  Myk Mon May 27, 2024 10:26 pm

crankbndr wrote:Kinda funny even though made by Cameron Thimble Drome was on the crankcase.

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That is interesting..
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