Re: The most difficult CL manuver for me was/is................

SuperDave Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:14 am

I can't claim to have orginated "The Keyhole" CL manuver but it did come from here in the Pacific Northwest of the US as regional "thing".I've seen it done successfully but have never done so myself crashing many planes stright into the ground.

More than one S-3 "Ringmaster" was destroyed in my attempt.

**RknRusty** Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:24 am

Ivanhoe wrote:
RknRusty wrote:I have not yet tried any vertical 8s, that's next. As soon as I get a dependable properly fueled plane, I want to learn to fly the complete pattern, which one, I can't remember, maybe it's AMA... Until now I haven't had a plane that carried enough fuel and didn't cough out when I get too wild. So I just fool around as y'all have seen in my videos.

I think by Sunday I will have a reliable plane to start with. I've spent the past few nights reworking the Stuntman with the TT pressure bladder, and the TD 049. It should stay up as long as I want it. I have yet to try square loops either. It's just a slat wing plane, but by next week I'll have the Bean with a 2 ounce pressure-less balloon and a Medallion. It should fly more precisely. I shall video my progress.

In my experience, to fly the complete schedule consistantly, you need a LOT more power than any .049 can give you, and much longer lines. At least a .35 flying on 60' lines, and set up to 4-stroke in level flight, peaking into 2-stroke as soon as a manouver is started, (Most of this is down to fuel tank design) what you need is not speed, it's slowness! The slower the model flies the more time you get to smooth manouvers out as you fly them, and of course on a bigger model you get the chance to tune the control surfaces after each flight, and things like asymmetric flap movement can be introduced. This is all for contest flying, none of it is needed for a lot of fun, and at least most .049 models bounce, unlike pro stunters, which revert to a kit on the slightest impact! I built Bob Palmers "Thunderbird" beautiful model, I spent weeks painting it after construction, and rushed to give it it's first outing at a public flying display my club organised. 1/2 way through the schedule the leadouts snagged together and jammed solid.(Lack of pre-flight!) Needless to say, months of work ended up as a pile of bits, and worse, in front of about 2.000 people!

Okay then, starting with this quote and most of the rest after it; y'all are wwaay out of my league! I'm strictly just a 1/2A speed freak flying wild bumpy (as Ivanhoe mentioned) maneuvers, usually on a field too small for long lines. I don't have the resources to learn to do it right. I've never seen a bigger plane in real life or even ever had a friend interested in flying. So I'll study over pictures of the stunts and do what I can, and try my best to make it entertaining, or at least give it some wow factor. Hell, I beat couple of pros at drag racing with a shade-tree Camaro in the '80s. Big fun. So I'll just keep playing with the toys.
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Kim Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:25 am

figure that might be where the stunt flaps come in on planes like the Shark...with the elevator and flaps at odds with each other, you get turn and drag...and these guys study them a lot to get the right ratios

Kim Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:29 am

" Hell, I beat couple of pros at drag racing with a shade-tree Camaro in the '80s. Big fun. So I'll just keep playing with the toys."

Well, it's all STILL about the fun...

SuperDave Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:39 am

Rockin' Rusty:

One of the primed draws at NASCAR races is the prospect of spectacular crashes. And who goes to a bullfight only if the torreado has no chance of being injured?

Your crash entertained the specators with what they came to see. Comfort in that as you pick up the remains of your plane.

Think positively ! Laughing

(It only hurts for a little while.)

Ivanhoe Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:09 pm

RknRusty wrote:
Okay then, starting with this quote and most of the rest after it; y'all are wwaay out of my league! I'm strictly just a 1/2A speed freak flying wild bumpy (as Ivanhoe mentioned) maneuvers, usually on a field too small for long lines. I don't have the resources to learn to do it right. I've never seen a bigger plane in real life or even ever had a friend interested in flying. So I'll study over pictures of the stunts and do what I can, and try my best to make it entertaining, or at least give it some wow factor. Hell, I beat couple of pros at drag racing with a shade-tree Camaro in the '80s. Big fun. So I'll just keep playing with the toys.
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That's what it's all about, Rusty, I don't think any of us here are going to enter any National stunt competitions anytime soon (Been there, done that, burned the tee-shirt) Now, to me at least, it's just fun flying, if you enjoy it then what the Hell? I DO have space for big stunters, but I can't be bothered building something like that again, I like these little .049 jobs like the Jumpin Bean, build one out of the scrap box in a few days, then fly it for a month on 1/2 pint of fuel, that's my object now!

Wilf

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