The most difficult CL manuver for me was/is................

Flying at all.

Indra:

A nice symetrical loop can be prefected with practice. Apparently ou need practice and lot of it.

The "keyhole" is s combination of a elements of a wing over with a loop on the top. Try it starting inverted too. Things happen pretty fast!

I have the Cussing Duck Tombstone move perfected.

Flying along nice and level, then you accidentally dump down elevator when you wanted up. Everyone hunches down grimacing in anticipation, like a duck. The plane augers in, stabs in the ground with a slightly forward tilt like a tombstone,,then you start cussing.

Perfect every time,,and easy!

PV Pilot wrote:I have the Cussing Duck Tombstone move perfected.

Flying along nice and level, then you accidentally dump down elevator when you wanted up. Everyone hunches down grimacing in anticipation, like a duck. The plane augers in, stabs in the ground with a slightly forward tilt like a tombstone,,then you start cussing.

Perfect every time,,and easy!

SuperDave wrote:Indra:

A nice symetrical loop can be prefected with practice. Apparently ou need practice and lot of it.

The "keyhole" is s combination of a elements of a wing over with a loop on the top. Try it starting inverted too. Things happen pretty fast!

Dae I do need lots of practise because I have only had about 30-60 min CL time.
Would like to fly my .010 one again of I can get it started.

The "Cloverleaf" from the old SMAE stunt schedule, I could never remember which order you had to fly the 4 loops in, and usually got so confused I exited inverted several times! (Instant disqualification!)

PV Pilot wrote:I have the Cussing Duck Tombstone move perfected.

Flying along nice and level, then you accidentally dump down elevator when you wanted up. Everyone hunches down grimacing in anticipation, like a duck. The plane augers in, stabs in the ground with a slightly forward tilt like a tombstone,,then you start cussing.

Perfect every time,,and easy!

This manouver was also known as "Tent-pegging"!

Btw Keith you have about 60' of Dacron line heading your way as it was included with the mufflers.

SuperDave wrote:The "Key-hole" (visualize an old-fashioned key-hole)

What's yours? Newer have done the "Key Hole" well but have destroyed a lot CL planes trying usually "augering" staight in the ground.

Not a manouver I ever remember seeing, did you invent it?

SuperDave wrote:Indra:

A nice symetrical loop can be prefected with practice. Apparently ou need practice and lot of it.

The "keyhole" is s combination of a elements of a wing over with a loop on the top. Try it starting inverted too. Things happen pretty fast!

A wingover with a 360 at the top, or with a 180 at the top?

Ivanhoe wrote:The "Cloverleaf" from the old SMAE stunt schedule, I could never remember which order you had to fly the 4 loops in, and usually got so confused I exited inverted several times! (Instant disqualification!)

I'll add to this with "How it SHOULD be done"!

That looks terribly complicated.

I have not yet tried any vertical 8s, that's next. As soon as I get a dependable properly fueled plane, I want to learn to fly the complete pattern, which one, I can't remember, maybe it's AMA... Until now I haven't had a plane that carried enough fuel and didn't cough out when I get too wild. So I just fool around as y'all have seen in my videos.

I think by Sunday I will have a reliable plane to start with. I've spent the past few nights reworking the Stuntman with the TT pressure bladder, and the TD 049. It should stay up as long as I want it. I have yet to try square loops either. It's just a slat wing plane, but by next week I'll have the Bean with a 2 ounce pressure-less balloon and a Medallion. It should fly more precisely. I shall video my progress.

nitroairplane wrote:Btw Keith you have about 60' of Dacron line heading your way as it was included with the mufflers.

10-4.

10-75

nitroairplane wrote:10-75

I have a bad CB radio??. Lol.

Trying to focus on each manuver and remembering the complete pattern order was always tuff!

Hardest: I never liked the hourglass that last turn was always a "pucker'' factor, pulling out at 5-7' off the deck at a slightly inverted angle, that and flying the square eight (consistantly) was always tuff. I always liked the overhead eights and cloverleaf...as my plane was farther away from that mean ground.

Least like manuver: figure 9

RknRusty wrote:I have not yet tried any vertical 8s, that's next. As soon as I get a dependable properly fueled plane, I want to learn to fly the complete pattern, which one, I can't remember, maybe it's AMA... Until now I haven't had a plane that carried enough fuel and didn't cough out when I get too wild. So I just fool around as y'all have seen in my videos.

I think by Sunday I will have a reliable plane to start with. I've spent the past few nights reworking the Stuntman with the TT pressure bladder, and the TD 049. It should stay up as long as I want it. I have yet to try square loops either. It's just a slat wing plane, but by next week I'll have the Bean with a 2 ounce pressure-less balloon and a Medallion. It should fly more precisely. I shall video my progress.

In my experience, to fly the complete schedule consistantly, you need a LOT more power than any .049 can give you, and much longer lines. At least a .35 flying on 60' lines, and set up to 4-stroke in level flight, peaking into 2-stroke as soon as a manouver is started, (Most of this is down to fuel tank design) what you need is not speed, it's slowness! The slower the model flies the more time you get to smooth manouvers out as you fly them, and of course on a bigger model you get the chance to tune the control surfaces after each flight, and things like asymmetric flap movement can be introduced. This is all for contest flying, none of it is needed for a lot of fun, and at least most .049 models bounce, unlike pro stunters, which revert to a kit on the slightest impact! I built Bob Palmers "Thunderbird" beautiful model, I spent weeks painting it after construction, and rushed to give it it's first outing at a public flying display my club organised. 1/2 way through the schedule the leadouts snagged together and jammed solid.(Lack of pre-flight!) Needless to say, months of work ended up as a pile of bits, and worse, in front of about 2.000 people!

Yeah, I'm still sneaking up on the cloverleaf. None of my 1/2A's will get close at this point. I've got a Shark .15 profile model that's my main ride since the departure of my beloved and ancient Dave Shipton "Polen Special" which broke a lead-out. I've got an Enya .19 on the Shark, and it's just too fast on it's 52' lines...I quickly "run out of sky"!



May try it out on some 60' lines, or install one of my Fox .15's. to slow it down...OR put a little lead in it's butt to make it come-round harder.

While I've never competed, the maneuver that LOOKS like it may be the meanest is the "Hour Glass". With that inverted dive at 60 degrees, and a round-out at 4 feet, pulled TOWARD the ground, extra speed would be the last thing you'd need !

Kim wrote:Yeah, I'm still sneaking up on the cloverleaf. None of my 1/2A's will get close at this point. I've got a Shark .15 profile model that's my main ride since the departure of my beloved and ancient Dave Shipton "Polen Special" which broke a lead-out. I've got an Enya .19 on the Shark, and it's just too fast on it's 52' lines...I quickly "run out of sky"!



May try it out on some 60' lines, or install one of my Fox .15's. to slow it down...OR put a little lead in it's butt to make it come-round harder.

While I've never competed, the maneuver that LOOKS like it may be the meanest is the "Hour Glass". With that inverted dive at 60 degrees, and a round-out at 4 feet, pulled TOWARD the ground, extra speed would be the last thing you'd need !

Nice model, Kim, you'd have a good chance with that, as you say it's easy to "run out of sky" or as we used to claim "I'd have been OK, but the ground was too high!"

I note that they've added another figure in the FAI schedule since my day, looks pretty hairy too!



I agree that this is a pig too!....

Yeah,that looks like it'd love to bite a guy! On a trip over to Paducah, I watched Allen Brickhaus and his buddy do them with impunity, but my planes look like caveman clubs next to theirs, so it's a lot more exciting for me! They research the crap out of everything, and keep better logbooks on their flights than a lot of full-scale pilots. Just what you got to do to be a World Champion, I guess, but I quickly fatigue-out if things get too minute!

I intend to stay after it. I nearly got there with Dave's "Special", but always chickened out. My salvation may be the S-1 Ringmaster on my "Back Bench" that's patiently waiting to be built.

You see what I was saying 'bout the hourglass..it was a bee-itch, the triangle is actually easy, its a loop with three corners.

What prop are you running on the Enya .19?

Can't remember...I'll check when I get home. The prop was the other option I'd forgotten. Got myself so scattered lately that I have trouble staying on topic...

I DO think a bit longer lines would give me enough room.

Yeah, the triangle loops would be bad enough, but that 60 degree dive from over the top of an Hourglass demands a fat airfoil with some good speed control.

I watched Allan's friend fly his Shark 45, and it's speed seemed constant all the way around. Even the pulls at the bottom of the Hourglass didn't seem too wild...the plane just recovered on the deck and went on.