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Kim's F4U Corsair gift
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Kim's F4U Corsair gift
Earlier this month Kim sent me a "parts" Corsair missing the engine pod which I found on ebay but without the top of the fuel tank.
I was interested in Kim's Corsair because it had tail markings unique to the WW2 era carrier Bunker Hill. All aircraft at this time had tail markings assigned to a particular Carrier which made identification and assembly in the air easier, especially when aircraft from different carriers were attacking the same target.
I always found the "UP Arrow" marking to be very interesting shown here on Bunker Hills Avengers and Helldivers too.
Got to find an Arrow decal for my Helldiver.
For anyone interested.
Standard markings at the beginning of the war, 12.07.1941:
Identification marking consisting of squadron number, letter of mission (i.e. fighter), individual aircraft number; lettering in 12 inches; individual numer repeated on trailing edge of the wing near the fuselage, optional on motor cowling and/or leading edge of the wing near the fuselage; all lettering in "block style" (edges canted 45°).
National insignia on the fuselage between trailing edge of the wing and leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer, size 24 inches.
Branch (NAVY oder MARINES) centered over serial number on the fin, model designation (i.e. F4F-3) centered on the rudder in the same height as the serial; lettering 1 inch (2,54 cm). This part of the markings remained constant throughout the war.
Inscriptions in "Block Style", i.e. vertical and horizontal lines with 45° beveled corners. System unchanged until end of war.
04/29/1942: Squadron number (i.e. 6) deleted. As the national insignia had to be as large as possible (see left) sometimes applied after the national insignia. On squadron level: Number on the rear of the wings is omitted.
At about the same time also a change from black to white.
Autumn 1942: Numbering determined by the squadron, white numbers, size variable. Sometimes with an additional letter (e.g. VT-25 on CVL-25 Cowpens) meaning only known to the squadron.
The previously specified location in front of the national emblem is no longer considered mandatory.
Aug. 31, 1943: First unofficial geometric marking on the vertical stabilizer of carrier aircraft. Solely on squadron level (at left Hellcat of VF-5). Whether one followed the trend or not was entirely up to the commander's decision.
Jan. 26,1945: Geometric signs on the tailplane now official, assigned by the BuAer to each aircraft carrier. All aircraft of the carrier carry the same marking (at left CV-17 Bunker Hill with Air Group 84).
I was interested in Kim's Corsair because it had tail markings unique to the WW2 era carrier Bunker Hill. All aircraft at this time had tail markings assigned to a particular Carrier which made identification and assembly in the air easier, especially when aircraft from different carriers were attacking the same target.
I always found the "UP Arrow" marking to be very interesting shown here on Bunker Hills Avengers and Helldivers too.
Got to find an Arrow decal for my Helldiver.
For anyone interested.
Standard markings at the beginning of the war, 12.07.1941:
Identification marking consisting of squadron number, letter of mission (i.e. fighter), individual aircraft number; lettering in 12 inches; individual numer repeated on trailing edge of the wing near the fuselage, optional on motor cowling and/or leading edge of the wing near the fuselage; all lettering in "block style" (edges canted 45°).
National insignia on the fuselage between trailing edge of the wing and leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer, size 24 inches.
Branch (NAVY oder MARINES) centered over serial number on the fin, model designation (i.e. F4F-3) centered on the rudder in the same height as the serial; lettering 1 inch (2,54 cm). This part of the markings remained constant throughout the war.
Inscriptions in "Block Style", i.e. vertical and horizontal lines with 45° beveled corners. System unchanged until end of war.
04/29/1942: Squadron number (i.e. 6) deleted. As the national insignia had to be as large as possible (see left) sometimes applied after the national insignia. On squadron level: Number on the rear of the wings is omitted.
At about the same time also a change from black to white.
Autumn 1942: Numbering determined by the squadron, white numbers, size variable. Sometimes with an additional letter (e.g. VT-25 on CVL-25 Cowpens) meaning only known to the squadron.
The previously specified location in front of the national emblem is no longer considered mandatory.
Aug. 31, 1943: First unofficial geometric marking on the vertical stabilizer of carrier aircraft. Solely on squadron level (at left Hellcat of VF-5). Whether one followed the trend or not was entirely up to the commander's decision.
Jan. 26,1945: Geometric signs on the tailplane now official, assigned by the BuAer to each aircraft carrier. All aircraft of the carrier carry the same marking (at left CV-17 Bunker Hill with Air Group 84).
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Re: Kim's F4U Corsair gift
WAY COOL!!!!
From a dusty corner to GLORY!!!
Another Great Job Bob!!!!
From a dusty corner to GLORY!!!
Another Great Job Bob!!!!
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Re: Kim's F4U Corsair gift
I believe I posted this before. This goes back and I had to really dig hard to find this. Bob Clauss was chief designer of Sterling models, he's also a member of our club. Bob and his wife moved away a few years back into a smaller condo community. Bob over the course of his time at Sterling tried to obtain at least one of every kit they ever made. He had so many kits. He loaded his station wagon up one day totally full and came out to the field and offered them up to all of us. I was fortunate to obtain some very nice out of production and rare kits. One kit in particular which I wanted was the Corsair F4-U kit. This kit was signed by Pappy Boyington. For some reason, the kit wasn't made available for sale, it was donated to the club for a raffle. The person that won the raffle wasn't even a modeler. We offer 50/50 tickets whenever we do a bb-q. It was a lady who won the kit. It was quite obvious to me that she didn't even understand the significance of the signature.
https://www.facebook.com/PhillyFliersCL/photos/1805593632844096
https://www.facebook.com/PhillyFliersCL/photos/1805593632844096
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Re: Kim's F4U Corsair gift
Ken Cook wrote:I believe I posted this before. This goes back and I had to really dig hard to find this. Bob Clauss was chief designer of Sterling models, he's also a member of our club. Bob and his wife moved away a few years back into a smaller condo community. Bob over the course of his time at Sterling tried to obtain at least one of every kit they ever made. He had so many kits. He loaded his station wagon up one day totally full and came out to the field and offered them up to all of us. I was fortunate to obtain some very nice out of production and rare kits. One kit in particular which I wanted was the Corsair F4-U kit. This kit was signed by Pappy Boyington. For some reason, the kit wasn't made available for sale, it was donated to the club for a raffle. The person that won the raffle wasn't even a modeler. We offer 50/50 tickets whenever we do a bb-q. It was a lady who won the kit. It was quite obvious to me that she didn't even understand the significance of the signature.
https://www.facebook.com/PhillyFliersCL/photos/1805593632844096
I would love to get my hands on that kit. I used to watch the TV series Baa Baa Black Sheep just to see the Corsair flying scenes. The real Pappy Boyington, quite a character.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baa_Baa_Black_Sheep_(TV_series)
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Re: Kim's F4U Corsair gift
Yikes Bob! That Avenger (?) looks like a tank! I wonder if they even got off the ground?
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Re: Kim's F4U Corsair gift
NEW222 wrote:Yikes Bob! That Avenger (?) looks like a tank! I wonder if they even got off the ground?
"Helldiver" Chancey. Look at the moment between the trailing edge of the wing and the leading edge of the horizontal stabilator, not much there. A beast - yes! In fact it was known as "The Beast" and the first editions were not well received. It was also known as the SOB 2nd class referring to it's Naval designation of SB2C.
An excellent film about it if you have the time.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=navy+helldiver&view=detail&mid=7534E4C8D271D92BCCA27534E4C8D271D92BCCA2&FORM=VIRE
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Re: Kim's F4U Corsair gift
Bob -
Your pic of the SB2C dredged up some memories -- two of my major professors flew in WWII. One was an SB2C pilot and the other was a navigator on a B-24. The pilot told me flying the Helldiver was like riding in a giant greenhouse with a big tail.
The navigator, at 21, was the second oldest crew member after the pilot and obviously survived the war, but had some significantly harrowing experiences. Their missions were mostly deep raids into Germany, many over synthetic oil production facilities. His comment was the Germans were not happy to have them there. He did say they feared the FW-190 the most out of all the German fighters. The head on attacks were the most terrifying, but with bomber streams 100 to 150 miles long, if you saw a 190 synced with the stream out to the side, you knew someone up ahead was getting the crap pounded out of them -- apparently, the FW pilots were experts at deflection shooting. After one particularly bad mission, they started counting holes in the bomber and quit after reaching 200 in one wing alone. Many times, they went up in bombers that were shot up and run out -- later, if the planes could be salvaged, they were rotated back to the states for training aircraft.
Your pic of the SB2C dredged up some memories -- two of my major professors flew in WWII. One was an SB2C pilot and the other was a navigator on a B-24. The pilot told me flying the Helldiver was like riding in a giant greenhouse with a big tail.
The navigator, at 21, was the second oldest crew member after the pilot and obviously survived the war, but had some significantly harrowing experiences. Their missions were mostly deep raids into Germany, many over synthetic oil production facilities. His comment was the Germans were not happy to have them there. He did say they feared the FW-190 the most out of all the German fighters. The head on attacks were the most terrifying, but with bomber streams 100 to 150 miles long, if you saw a 190 synced with the stream out to the side, you knew someone up ahead was getting the crap pounded out of them -- apparently, the FW pilots were experts at deflection shooting. After one particularly bad mission, they started counting holes in the bomber and quit after reaching 200 in one wing alone. Many times, they went up in bombers that were shot up and run out -- later, if the planes could be salvaged, they were rotated back to the states for training aircraft.
Re: Kim's F4U Corsair gift
That is the Helldiver that flies into the Mid Atlantic Air Museum the first week of June. I've seen it many times. It will be there the week of June 3-5. For $995 you can get a 20 minute flight in that same plane.
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Re: Kim's F4U Corsair gift
I enjoyed your stories, Andrew.
Helldiver - "Like flying in a giant greenhouse" I can relate. FW-190 - Awesome aircraft. Many B-17's were lost to it. Head-on attacks, too many lost before they fitted nose machine guns. Films like 12 O'clock High, and Memphis Belle are winners.
And Ken:
From Wikipedia - An oddity of the SB2Cs with 1942 to 1943-style tricolor camouflage was that the undersides of the outer wing panels carried dark topside camouflage because the undersurfaces were visible from above when the wings were folded.
Nicely shown here:
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=navy+helldiver&&view=detail&mid=C7C1F097138450FF38B0C7C1F097138450FF38B0&rvsmid=19654E6632033DDB7EF919654E6632033DDB7EF9&FORM=VD
I believe the tail insignia shows the Langley CV-27 as it's home ship during WW2. Original Langley and the Navys first carrier was CV-1.
Edit: I just checked TCM's (TV channel) Turner Classic Movies schedule and they are showing 12 O'clock high tonight at 8PM.
Helldiver - "Like flying in a giant greenhouse" I can relate. FW-190 - Awesome aircraft. Many B-17's were lost to it. Head-on attacks, too many lost before they fitted nose machine guns. Films like 12 O'clock High, and Memphis Belle are winners.
And Ken:
From Wikipedia - An oddity of the SB2Cs with 1942 to 1943-style tricolor camouflage was that the undersides of the outer wing panels carried dark topside camouflage because the undersurfaces were visible from above when the wings were folded.
Nicely shown here:
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=navy+helldiver&&view=detail&mid=C7C1F097138450FF38B0C7C1F097138450FF38B0&rvsmid=19654E6632033DDB7EF919654E6632033DDB7EF9&FORM=VD
I believe the tail insignia shows the Langley CV-27 as it's home ship during WW2. Original Langley and the Navys first carrier was CV-1.
Edit: I just checked TCM's (TV channel) Turner Classic Movies schedule and they are showing 12 O'clock high tonight at 8PM.
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Re: Kim's F4U Corsair gift
@Kim's Corsair is the earlier version with side (pancake) mounted engine. Here's a very nice short video done as a tribute to the later Cox .049 Corsair. It has a pleasant Latin instrumental background music accompaniment as well.
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Re: Kim's F4U Corsair gift
GallopingGhostler wrote:@Kim's Corsair is the earlier version with side (pancake) mounted engine. Here's a very nice short video done as a tribute to the later Cox .049 Corsair. It has a pleasant Latin instrumental background music accompaniment as well.
I had seen that video before. He had courage to do it in one take. We're it me it woud result in a comedy with parts flying all over the place and would run twice as long. He teased us at the end with a short take of a drone like affair.
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Re: Kim's F4U Corsair gift
Great Video!!!!!!
rsv1cox wrote:NEW222 wrote:Yikes Bob! That Avenger (?) looks like a tank! I wonder if they even got off the ground?
"Helldiver" Chancey. Look at the moment between the trailing edge of the wing and the leading edge of the horizontal stabilator, not much there. A beast - yes! In fact it was known as "The Beast" and the first editions were not well received. It was also known as the SOB 2nd class referring to it's Naval designation of SB2C.
An excellent film about it if you have the time.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=navy+helldiver&view=detail&mid=7534E4C8D271D92BCCA27534E4C8D271D92BCCA2&FORM=VIRE
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