Got the covid shot

They're still too busy deciding who will get the shots first here in MN.

California has a moratorium on the Moderna shot, seems more than enough people have had severe reactions and a few have died from it.



I'm in a wait and see attitude, because from what I previously understood, it takes about 2 years to develop and test a vaccine before release to the public. After several doctor and medical staff deaths and severe reactions by some, the medical communities in various places have expressed reluctance to receive.

The fast track release approach appears to make us all guinea pigs. Also, contrary to the traditional way of combating viruses by injection with dead viral strains (approach the Chinese are using with their population), which strengthens your immune system, some of these western ones actually modify the DNA cellular structure of your body. In essence, you become a GMO.

I don't know if I want to be experimented upon. Who knows what long term effects will be in the permanent altering of your cellular structure. And, this is for a type of virus that morphs and so newer vaccines are needed for the morphed strain. All this for a virus with such low instances of mortality that does not statistically fit the definition of a pandemic.

Most definately an interesting topic. To get or not to get, that is the question. While I am not all for or against it, I just honestly do not know anymore. I was really wanting to go for it immediately, but am personally sitting waiting for now. Also, I do respect peoples opinions and or choices to or not to get it. Everyone has their opinions and also reasons to or not to get it. We here too are still in the same as Jacob stated above. Who gets it first. So far, it has been people that are administeing the shots along with health care providers that meet age requirements I believe. As far as I know all of the people around here getting it are getting the Pfizer shot, teh one that has strict storage requirements, and they are I believe sending the Moderna variant up north to both residents and first nations residents because of the less requirements of storage. And now Canada was told that Pfizer will be supplying less than anticipated originally due to them shutting some stuff down overseas to modify the plant to ramp up production.

As I do not know how it is being administered in other places, I have a little question for you Bob. Was there a choice of which version you were able to get or were you just told here's your shot? This is not to take the discussion off topic, but would be interesting to see how places around the world are administering it, whether giving the option of A or B? If so, having the option of A or B, I am not asking why the decision as that is ones own personal thing that I am not interested in.

My sister is a nurse practitioner, and she has informed me the reason the one (Maderna) has to be chilled to below zero is because it originates from the plasenta fluid. That is also the reason why the Pope in Italy approved the injections for Catholics to take.

So, Maderna's vaccine is like other members said that that vaccine is playing with our DNA?

The one from Johnson & Johnson ( the one shot vaccine) is a derivative vaccine from the Ebola vaccine and that is why it is one one shot and it doesn't have to be in the deep freeze ( just chilled to around 40 degrees).

The news had on it tonight (Jan. 23,2021) that the one shot vaccine should be coming out some time next week?

I found an article written by Suresh Mahalingam, Principal Research Leader, Emerging Viruses, Inflammation and Therapeutics Group, Menzies Health Institute Queensland, Griffith University and Adam Taylor, Early Career Research Leader, Emerging Viruses, Inflammation and Therapeutics Group, Menzies Health Institute Queensland, Griffith University.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/pros-and-cons-different-covid-vaccine-technologies-explained-169291

It gives a brief overviews of the different vaccine technologies, their pros and their cons. I won't get into what all these are, because I am just like you all, not medical specialists and am trying to sift out the truth from all the greed and agenda driven AstroTurf being planted as a smoke screen. It is easy reading.

The following raises concerns about Moderna vaccine:

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/could-an-mrna-vaccine-be-dangerous-in-the-long-term-649253

Jerusalem Post wrote:“There is a race to get the public vaccinated, so we are willing to take more risks,” Tal Brosh, head of the Infectious Disease Unit at Samson Assuta Ashdod Hospital, told The Jerusalem Post.

When Moderna was just finishing its Phase I trial, The Independent wrote about the vaccine and described it this way: “It uses a sequence of genetic RNA material produced in a lab that, when injected into your body, must invade your cells and hijack your cells’ protein-making machinery called ribosomes to produce the viral components that subsequently train your immune system to fight the virus.”

“In this case, Moderna’s mRNA-1273 is programmed to make your cells produce the coronavirus’ infamous coronavirus spike protein that gives the virus its crown-like appearance (corona is crown in Latin) for which it is named,” wrote The Independent.

Brosh said that this does not mean the vaccine changes people’s genetic code. Rather, he said it is more like a USB device (the mRNA) that is inserted into a computer (your body). It does not impact the hard drive of the computer but runs a certain program.

But he acknowledged that there are unique and unknown risks to messenger RNA vaccines, including local and systemic inflammatory responses that could lead to autoimmune conditions.

I prefer not to get into political ramifications or debates. I see enough evidence to be cautious on vaccines. I stopped taking the flu vax for the past 8 years. Since then, I have had less encounters with flu, in spite of all the recommendations I need to be vax'd.

Karl Dunkin, MD in Miami had the Phizer shot and afterward lost all ability to make immune system platelets, died shortly after. There was an article where a vaccine researcher stated he was sure about it being vax related. I found it before but no longer. Truth is becoming a harder commodity to find with all the suppression of truth going on these days in news, search engines, videos and social media.

'nuff said, I'll wait.

The Moderna shot does not mess with your DNA. It contains a part of the RNA of the covid virus. The ”thing” about this shot is that they have come up with a method that helps this RNA ”survive” (it not a living thing but a molecule, hence the quotation marks) in your system 10x longer than it normally would. Normally it would be gone in two hours, now it lasts for 20 hours before your body’s clean-up system takes care of it. While breaking up and dissolving the RNA, your cells also create a pattern or a template for ”future reference”. Same way you get immunity against chicken pox after getting it once. So, the Covid shot won’t alter your DNA, it will only give your immune system a heads-up, ”hey, in the near future you may run into this, here’s some guidelines how to minimize the damage”.

This RNA thing sounds promising, the sciencists have been playing with it for years and already have experienced how to make it target specific mutations within a body, like cancel cells, MS etc.

Kudos to Bob for taking the shot!

Here in Finland, the public has been ”sorted” to 11 groups of priority, the first group obviously is the healthcare personnel who work with covid patients and suspected covid cases. My little sister is a bioanalyst, she’s been extracting covid samples for more than 6 months now, she got the shot last month. Next group I think are rest of the healthcare staff, ”essentials” like police and other officials, senior folks, younger people with diesases etc.

I am lucky to be generally healthy, but that means I am in the largest group, number 11, aka ”the rest”. That means I will get the shot sometime next summer, so there is plenty of time to gather collectible experience. Honestly I wouldn’t know whether to take the shot or not if I were given the choice right now. I work mostly from home, stay away from crowds (my preferred choice, pandemic or not), only go out with the dogs or to get groceries. My wife is a teacher and my boys go to school so they actually have some direct contact with the outside world. Not a lot of infections in our area but I guess it’s always possible. And how the virus affects you is mostly a luck of the draw. There are 90 year olds who have survived, and teenagers who have died.

Anyway, stay safe my friends, wear the mask, I know it won’t protect you 100% but it will protect the people around you. You can have the virus and not know it, and the mask will block most of the possible contaminants when you speak or exhale. Wash your hands and say your prayers ’cos germs and Jesus are everywhere

Edit: I agree with Arnold

We're very fortunate out here that our population density is low and infection is less risk. We have been able to manage it well through mandatory masks, social-distancing, hygiene and accurate contact tracing, along with strict quaranteen if required. Any outbreaks seem to get flattened in a few days. Deaths that are "fully" attributable to Covid are rare. While it has been a pain in the rear to have state borders blocked, it has certainly been effective as well. Having said that, we still can't help but feel that another wave is only just around the corner. That's not going to make me rush out and get a shot. I give it two years. We live pretty isolated lives, so I'm not concerned about catching or spreading it. In another two years we'll certainly have a better picture of the effectiveness of any vaccine. Our government has gone for the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine. It has come under a lot of criticism from many due to its reported "low" rate of effectiveness, being around 60%-70%. The common flu-vax is 30%-60% effective and we all seem happy to take that, so I'm far more comfortable with that choice. It's far easier to produce, store and transport than some others, pretty much like the flu-vax. If I'm made to get a jab, this one will be my first choice, if I get a choice.

The fast track release approach appears to make us all guinea pigs. Also, contrary to the traditional way of combating viruses by injection with dead viral strains (approach the Chinese are using with their population), which strengthens your immune system, some of these western ones actually modify the DNA cellular structure of your body. In essence, you become a GMO.

Thanks George, that's wonderful news, I always wanted to be a superman.  

I'm feeling great this morning, no negative affects to the vaccine at all.  I'm anxious to get a haircut and rejoin the world.  

BTW, my daughter-in-law right now has tested positive and is suffering the effects of covid.  No walk in the park and nothing that I would wish on anybody.  400,000 deaths presently and 700,000 projected by the end of February.  Get the shot.  Not many Spring Chickens on this forum.

BTW X2..........I've lived 83 years plus. Never was a Nervous Nellie.

Information after vaccine shot:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/expect/after.html

My wife was REQUIRED to get the shot due to her nursing position. I could care less...its all a big joke.

OhBee wrote:My wife was REQUIRED to get the shot due to her nursing position. I could care less...its all a big joke.

While I am certainly not inclined to believe it’s as bad as the media makes it out to be, I can’t deny the fact that several people I was acquainted with have died after contracting it. The thing is it’s just not the same for everyone. Some get it bad and some have little to no symptoms.

We lose more people worldwide a year to TB than Covid. At least last I checked.

So I wouldn’t completely dismiss it, You may get lucky, you might not. Of course you could get hit by a bus. Hopefully not though!

Ron

Edit: I was sincerely joking about the last part. Personally I find it odd that we place so much emphasis on this one virus. We have so many other diseases out there that kill so many more. Not to mention tragedies, accidents and just plain natural selection. Anyway take care of yourself regardless.

My wife was FORCED to get it or lose her health care/nursing job! No way I'd want some unproven, un certified rush job conglomeration injected into me! The whole thing is a joke!

I see what you are saying now, yeah my daughter had to get the shot too as she is a health worker also.

I certainly don’t like the idea of being forced to do anything, looking at both sides of the coin I can see why they made it mandatory. Doesn’t make it right, it’s not the best situation for sure.

During my 21yrs of active duty I was forced to do a lot of things so I am more used to it. Plus I signed the dotted line!

Hopefully your wife doesn’t have any adverse effects.

Living in Chicago is not a walk in the park either ( and I wouldn't!)
Last year (2020) there were 769 murders and 3,261 people got shot.
They are on course to set a record for 2021. 43 murdered, 195 wounded.

Now for carjacking:
Carjackings shot up 135 percent in 2020 from 1,415 from 603 in 2019, according to the Chicago Police Department.
So far in 2021, carjackings are on a pace to break last year’s record with 61 happening over the first ten days of the year, up from 22 during the same period in 2020.

I think I would take a covid shot ( no pun intended) over shootings and carjackings?

Sorry to hear that, Sosam. Sounds
like New Orleans North. Job market
is hurting, and people are desperate.
Bob

Back in the 1980's when I lived in the Los Angeles area in California, in Long Beach, it was not unusual for 20 to 30 people to be murdered on a weekend from gang related incidences including drive by shootings. We lived in the north side of Long Beach, which is very near Compton, which has a reputation so bad that when you buy a house there, you sell it for the same price 5 years later.

We'd hear gunshots nightly coming from Atlantic Avenue and Long Beach Boulevard about 5 or 6 blocks away from us, police helicopters flying overhead, north side of our residential street was almost always blocked because someone was running a crack house. We were glad to read about a sting operation shut it down from our local paper.

Although we had a lot of nice friends, I don't miss the LA area.

Our hospitals are hurting for money along with state coffers, so:



And, to break from the seriousness of it all, thought we might need a little humor:

New Mexico state has taken control of the entire Covid-19 immunization program.



If I wanted a shot, I might be able to cross over to Texas 7 miles away and check with them.

Six days out from my first shot (Moderna) and still no problems. Maybe some small sensitivity in my arm if I hit it or lay on it. WV notifies you when the second shot is scheduled. Waiting to get that first haircut in almost a year. Dad, the over the hill Hippy is about to go straight.

Also finally got my stimulus check today and a pile of snail mail. People getting the shot, people getting over the virus, herd immunity. Is there light at the end of the tunnel..............

Just saw on the news that foreigners are getting the covid-19 shots before the people that live in Florida.
The one foreigner at least said "thanks USA"

What's with that?

sosam117 wrote:Just saw on the news that foreigners are getting the covid-19 shots before the people that live in Florida.
The one foreigner at least said "thanks USA"

What's with that?

Supposedly it's American citizens living abroad that are being provided shots, not foreigners.  Possibly some expatriates too.

But there is some hanky-panky going on right here, schemers selling fake shots etc.

Well, I believe this is a personal decision, and for those who think they need this, it's your life. Those that are really benefiting from all of this, it is all about big pharma. So much spin out there over getting, "the shot", it's to the point that fact has been swept under the rug and hidden. We have always had to deal with the flu virus, as well as other seasonal sickness, just use some common sense when out and around others. Eat healthy, stay away from restaurants that are highly used and busy, that makes fast food places at the top of the list, with their constant change of new help. Find out just how much enjoyment it can be to really cook a tasty, healthy meal. Yes, we still need to be around the public, as we by design, are a very social lot. I'm sure those reading this would not walk up to some suffering with a cold, red nose, coughing and hug them hello. Again, just use common sense to stay healthy. This is not a plug for a product, just a comment for, "Emergen-C Plus", a daily immune supplement. I have taken this for several years now to help keep the immune system healthy. I find this product at the local health foods store, and even seen it at Walmart. I'm sorry, but no shot for me. Eddy

It's a free country Eddy, and I admire your ability to say no and refuse the shot, there are many more like you.

I got the shot because we are a socially close family and the kids refuse to visit for fear of infecting me. I'm at an age where I just don't care. I have lived my three score and ten + and lived years beyond the age that the average white American male expires. But I do miss the family birthdays, outings, trips, etc.. About to resume those.

You have the right attitude, eat healthy and don't take risks, the story of my life, well the eat healthy part anyway. No "snake oil" here though, I require no meds but I have taken a daily vitamin for years.

Good luck.

Bob