old timer satyr

so cover it in silk??? where can i buy the silk and how much does it cost???

At a hobby store.
Not real silk it is called silk span or use a good and strong tissue covering.
Both need dope and then a fuel proof paint if desired.
Silk and tissue are the only real option for vintage lookin plaes IMO.

cool thankyou, will "hot" dope work as fuel proof, i have a bottle of the stuff, but how good does it work, i have never used it on a fuel powered plane, jus build and show models

I am not familiar with this hot door I use real cellulose does mixed with cellulose thinners an thats all I know however one of our member calle Wil knows a lot about dope as he produces it.

cool thankyou for the input dude, i am definetly goin to use silkspan, i cannot start building the airplane till february, cuz im goin on vacation pretty soon

Maybe check the site?



http://www.darehobby.com/accessories/tissue03.htm

Ok there is plenty of time for you to choose.

wow thats expensive, thx i will look into it

nitroairplane wrote:At a hobby store.
Not real silk it is called silk span or use a good and strong tissue covering.
Both need dope and then a fuel proof paint if desired.
Silk and tissue are the only real option for vintage lookin plaes IMO.

Nah, use the real thing!

"Very Light fine grain Japanese SILK. Sold by the linear yard. Price is per yard. up to 10 yards available
Approx 10gms per yard

Price: £12.20 yd."($19!!)

Wilf

wow thats pretty good i guess, im gonna use the real thing

Dunno how the real thing holds up on larger models though.
But Wilf knows best!

yeah

The price of silk sold by the model industry has risen beyond ridiculous. However, there are other options. There are several on-line suppliers of silk fabric where the price per yard is very appealing. The downside is that most of the silk needed for modeling is sold in its natural color. You can still apply the silk, dope it and it will be translucent allowing the underlying structure to show thru. Colored dope may be applied as trim. This silk may be dyed using a fabric dye such as RIT, but it needs to be applied while still wet. If allowed to dry, you will lose some of the natural shinkage needed for covering a model. Clear dope will also shrink the covering, but without the natural shrinkage of the covering, getting a drum tight finish can be more difficult.

On-line sources:
Thai Silks
Silk Connection
Dharma Trading

The silk you want to use is Habotai 5mm. mm stands for momme, a measure of weight; 5mm is very lightweight.

andrew

cool thankyou, i do like the clear look

nitroairplane wrote:Dunno how the real thing holds up on larger models though.
But Wilf knows best!

Silk, as a covering material, is second only to nylon for strength, the only problem with using it is that it has to be applied to the model wet, you dope the framework, place the wet silk on to it, and tighten as much as possible, getting any wrinkles out, then further dope through the wet silk on to the frame. The dope will go white because of the moisture, but this disappears when further dope is applied after the silk dries. (This applies to cellulose dope, don't know about "modern" dopes).
Wetting the silk means soaking it, then squeezing most of the water out before using it.

Just for interest..



Satyr

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Satyr

That is exactly the theme I was thinking!

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Pity it's only a black & white photo, the design doesn't seem to be very well known, can't find it on any of the Old Timer sites

I know but maybe if I hit old Warden this year i will see a few.
Looks a bit Smeed ish.

nitroairplane wrote:I know but maybe if I hit old Warden this year i will see a few.
Looks a bit Smeed ish.

It's a 1943 Czech design originally, redesigned for 3 function r/c

That's odd I would have thought that in 1943 the czechs would have had a lot more to worry about than model planes

nitroairplane wrote:That's odd I would have thought that in 1943 the czechs would have had a lot more to worry about than model planes

Yes, so would I! but that is the information as received!

yep that is the airplane that i have plans for, to bad it isnt a more well none model, i would love to see a video of the thing flying before i build it