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Post  G.O. Stang Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:47 pm

...where the heck I've been and why I've not been active, there is a good reason.

I've always loved old cars and trucks and I think one of the most fun things in the world is to get old neglected vehicles road worthy again. Well, back in February, my uncle called me and told me he had an old car on his property that he acquired from a property he cleaned out a few years ago. He said he was tired of looking at it and knew I liked these old things and thought he'd ask if I'd like to buy it. So I went over and this is what I saw.
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It's a 1941(PRE-WAR!) Chevrolet Special Deluxe Sport Sedan.
This thing is all original. Original engine, transmission, interior, the whole lot. 29,000 miles believed to be original. A true time capsule. And virtually no rust, save the surface.
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So naturally I wanted it and we made a deal. I made it my mission to then make it to a local car show with it, in just 3 months.
When I got it home, I began ordering parts I knew I needed and as those arrived, I was able to further assess what else was needed. The big thing was, would this thing run? It has been last registered in 1974. And the engine itself is 73 years old. So naturally, I wasn't all that hopeful. But I've always had the motto that, "if it has a piston, I can make it run." So I pressed on. Oil in the cylinders to lubricate the first times turning it over. It has a hand crank hole so I fashioned one out of an old socket and 1/4 drive extension and to my surprise, it slowly began to turn. Fairly easily, actually. So when I knew it wasn't frozen, it was game one. Ordered a new starter, carb kit, plugs, wires, new fuel pump, all the tune up stuff. I removed the dizzy and turned the oil pump with a drill to pre-oil everything. I reinstalled the dizzy to where it would be a 0 deg advance since it would need adjusting anyway and I was just trying to get it to run. Once all the tune up parts were on, it was time. I primed the fuel line, and bumped the starter a few times to get the fuel to fill the carb. Connected the coil, turned the key, and kit the starter. After a few pops, it started right up! The mechanical gauges began moving showing good oil pressure and water temp. I let it run a few minutes before shutting her down, but all seemed good.

I got the engine running like a top, changed the oil, fixed the coolant leaks, new tires, and began work on the rest of the car. Completely new brake system, however still stock. Adjusted the transmission linkages so I had all three forward gears as well as reverse, and adjusted the parking brake. I even had some time to add a few visual upgrades, like a Fulton visor and side view mirrors, and do a 12v conversion. It was a heck of a trip getting this thing back on the road, but it was worth it. And I'm proud to call it mine. Here's some shots from the show.
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So that's what I've been up to. I will certainly be looking forward to receiving the traveling engine and running it after being so busy lately. If anyone wants to see more pictures of this car's journey, you can see them on my facebook album.
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Hope you enjoy seeing this old gal back on the road, I sure do.

Have a nice night,
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Post  Cribbs74 Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:40 am

Excellent work Chris,

12V upgrade was a smart idea, I am sure you had fun stepping the voltage down so as not to blow out the gauges.

I have a '49 and '50 GMC and Chevrolet pickups to mess with if you have time.  

So is the engine a 216 CI babbit bearing?

P.S. 1941 is not pre-war. At least not for Canada and Europe.  Wink
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Post  G.O. Stang Tue Jul 15, 2014 5:33 am

Cribbs74 wrote:Excellent work Chris,

12V upgrade was a smart idea, I am sure you had fun stepping the voltage down so as not to blow out the gauges.

I have a '49 and '50 GMC and Chevrolet pickups to mess with if you have time.  

So is the engine a 216 CI babbit bearing?

P.S. 1941 is not pre-war. At least not for Canada and Europe.  Wink

Well I know that, but it was pre-involvement I should say.
And yes. 216 babbit. Non-fully pressurized oil with no oil filter.

And the initial running of the engine the first time wasn't a big deal. I never sent 12v through any of the 6v system. However, most 6v systems can handle 12v because there are less amps. That said, two of the gauges are mechanical and never see any kind of electricity. The ammeter works just fine on 12v. I did have to buy a runtz resistor for the gas gauge though since it would not read properly.
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Post  ian1954 Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:02 am

Is it nice to drive?

A car as old as that, built in the UK, would have a non-synchromesh manual gearbox requiring double declutching for a gear change - very heavy steering and cross ply tyres. The car usually has to be moving to turn the steering wheel.

That would not stop it being nice to drive but it would be different to what we have become used to.
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Post  pkrankow Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:04 am

I hope that you are not done there, even though you have achieved a pretty high level of awesome!

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Post  G.O. Stang Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:11 am

ian1954 wrote:Is it nice to drive?

A car as old as that, built in the UK, would have a non-synchromesh manual gearbox requiring double declutching for a gear change - very heavy steering and cross ply tyres. The car usually has to be moving to turn the steering wheel.

That would not stop it being nice to drive but it would be different to what we have become used to.
The steering is heavy, yes, but I am able to turn it sitting still simply because of the large steering wheel itself.
As for the transmission, it is quite a bear to shift, but it can be done. Only time I have to double clutch is when I need first and I'm not completely stopped.

It's actually quite nice to drive being as old as it is. The goal was to get it to the show with as little as possible done to it. So the shocks are shot and that does effect the ride quality a bit, but on a nice smooth road, I've never wanted to hang my arm out a window more.
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Post  G.O. Stang Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:13 am

pkrankow wrote:I hope that you are not done there, even though you have achieved a pretty high level of awesome!

Phil

Of course I'm not done! But since I made it to my goal, I can finally slow down and just tinker with it. Just driving it around some more problems have surfaced such as a leaking water pump so little things need doing. Personally I would prefer to keep it as original as possible. Because let me tell you, my car got more looks than the pristine hot rods at the show. It's rare to see something like this.
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Post  dckrsn Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:21 pm

Welcome back Chris.
What a story! Hope to see it continue.
Imho, you're preserving/making/saving history.
My hat's off to you, and thanks for sharing this.
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Post  roddie Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:50 pm

There's a yard down the road from me with no less than 15 various vintage (old) Dodge "Power Wagons" just sitting there. I'll have to take and post a photo. I've always loved the look of those old trucks!

Most of them look like this one (which also happens to be a "41"...)

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Post  RknRusty Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:46 pm

Wow now that's a cool truck!

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Post  stevej Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:59 pm

Chris, your old stovebolt is awesome!
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Post  G.O. Stang Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:36 pm

stevej wrote:Chris, your old stovebolt is awesome!

I appreciate your knowledge of these cars/trucks/engines nicknames! It's certainly been interesting learning about the technology in these old cars. The foot starter is great. No relay to go bad(unless my leg is hurt!), the on the frame brake master cykinder(which is a pain!), and the lack of any factory installed oil filter are some of my favorites. One of the more interesting pieces of tech is the vacuum power shift mechanism. I've chosen to remove mine temporarily so I can drive it while I repair the vacuum cylinder. Just watching videos of it working is something to behold. Manual shift assistance. Most people have never heard of this. Column shift with two fingers. Very creative idea, however, problematic.

I did change the leaking water pump out today so that sets one more worry at ease. I was surprised to find that the parts stores still carry a few parts here and there for these old cars. With prices that outmatch most online specialty places. Saved quite a bit of money by making several trips to O'Reilly's. Let's just say, I'm on a first name basis with most of the cashiers in there!
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Post  Cribbs74 Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:07 pm

I have a 216 from a 1950 chevrolet pickup that is not being used. I am pretty sure it has an externally mounted oil filter canister on it.

If it's if any use to you I can sell it cheap. Also the 235 Chevrolet is an easy swap and will give you more power, full pressure oiling and regular shell bearings.

Just a thought. I installed a 1954 235 into a 1950 pickup that had that 216. It dropped right in.


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Post  Admin Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:25 pm

Great job getting her back on the road! I love old cars, I try to make it to a car show once a week LOL. We currently don't have any classic cars though, the oldest we have is the 2000 Ford F-150. We have been looking around though, checking Craigslist every so often. Would be nice to find an old truck and keep it mostly stock.


Once you get to the point of adding accessories, you should find a pair of these http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-1941-TEXAS-TX-LICENSE-PLATE-SET-827-552-/121387180259?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c433d60e3 and get them registered for the car. http://www.txlicenseplates.com/registration.html Always fun to see a classic with original plates.

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Post  G.O. Stang Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:59 pm

Cribbs74 wrote:I have a 216 from a 1950 chevrolet pickup that is not being used. I am pretty sure it has an externally mounted oil filter canister on it.

If it's if any use to you I can sell it cheap. Also the 235 Chevrolet is an easy swap and will give you more power, full pressure oiling and regular shell bearings.

Just a thought. I installed a 1954 235 into a 1950 pickup that had that 216. It dropped right in.



The problem with the external remote filter is it's only a bypass filter. It only filters half the oil basically since half the system is pressurized, and half is splash oiling. Although if it's in good condition, I may take you up on that offer since I have been wanting one for the sake of obscurity.

I do know the 235 is a direct bolt in upgrade. I've been looking for one in the off chance this 216 decides to kick the bucket. However, it seems like a strong engine and I think it will last me awhile. Although I believe the year model 235s I'm after are 53-54. They are the most similar parts wise to my 216 and have the full pressure and oil filter. Earlier variations of the 235 from 41-52 don't have both of these and later 55+ have variances more noticeable visually. The rear main is leaking and if it gets worse I may pull the engine and do a complete re-gasket. That said, I'm left with the idea of just tossing the 235 in at the same time. It's a toss up.  Huh... 
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Post  sdjjadk Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:31 pm

Cool car Stang.
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Post  sdjjadk Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:35 pm

roddie wrote:There's a yard down the road from me with no less than 15 various vintage (old) Dodge "Power Wagons" just sitting there. I'll have to take and post a photo. I've always loved the look of those old trucks!

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Post  Davenz13 Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:17 am

When my Dad died back in 2002 my two brothers and I had the job of cleaning out the estate and in one of the many sheds was our Dad’s father’s car, a 1936 straight eight Buick. I can remember as a kid playing in the old girl but in my time it always sat in the shed with the cylinder head off it. Next to it under a piece of carpet was a spare motor that had been obtained but never fitted for some reason or other. Over the years there had always been talk of getting her going but nothing had ever come of it. As we all had more than enough projects to keep us occupied we sold the old girl to a mate. He had her going in a couple of weeks and said we were welcome to borrow her to take our Mum and Dad’s brother for a ride which we promptly accepted. The smile on my uncles face as we drove past the farmhouse where he was born and around the district in his father’s old car was priceless and a very nostalgic time for us all.
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Post  pkrankow Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:32 am

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Post  SuperDave Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:54 am

The sad reality of the old car hobby is very often they may be purchased as nice originals or fully restored for far less than they cost to restore yourself.  Of course the sense of accomplisment can't be discounted either.

Unless you a a capable mechanic that can do your own work including finishing details (chrome, painting, upolstry replacing missing parts etc) I'd suggest the later.

So unless you value the satisfaction carefully estimate the cost BEFORE you begin brining back a sadly negected old car.  An an overly optimictic estimate will soon find you spending MANY times more so you will abandon the project in frustration.

How do I know this?  Because I've seen this happen MANY times over.  Be careful how deeply you become involved financially.

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BTW:  '41 Chevs have a "vacuum-shift" mechanism that make them shift differenty than you might imagine.
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Post  G.O. Stang Thu Jul 24, 2014 1:25 pm

SuperDave wrote:The sad reality of the old car hobby is very often they may be purchased as nice originals or fully restored for far less than they cost to restore yourself.  Of course the sense of accomplisment can't be discounted either.

Unless you a a capable mechanic that can do your own work including finishing details (chrome, painting, upolstry replacing missing parts etc) I'd suggest the later.

So unless you value the satisfaction carefully estimate the cost BEFORE you begin brining back a sadly negected old car.  An an overly optimictic estimate will soon find you spending MANY times more so you will abandon the project in frustration.

How do I know this?  Because I've seen this happen MANY times over.  Be careful how deeply you become involved financially.

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BTW:  '41 Chevs have a "vacuum-shift" mechanism that make them shift differenty than you might imagine.

It's a labor of love, as are most restorations. It's not about making money to most. It's about preserving history. Sure, some shops do it to make money, but I find it's most rewarding just to see it "alive" again. And the other matter as hand is how it will be restored. Yes it's expensive to make it all original. And as most will tell you, a restored car today, pre-four speed transmissions and power options, are terrible to drive unless you're just cruising around town. So my objective, is to stay original as possible, whole updating a few things here and there to make it just so, a nice cruiser. I may add AC, give it a nice basically paint job, redo the interior, and freshen up the chrome, but no concurs job. One updating I'm considering currently is power brakes. The current ones work fine, but man do you have to work to stop in a hurry.

As for the vacuum shift, I'm aware of it. I took it off. The cylinder was stuck solid and made it impossible to get into first and third gears. Thankfully it was only an ASSIST and the linkage works just fine without it. I may try to salvage it at a later date because the concept seems really cool to me.
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Stang:

As long as you realize what you are getting into in terms of cost good luck and don't say you weren't advised that it would we expensive.

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Post  Cribbs74 Thu Jul 24, 2014 5:52 pm

Have fun with it! Can't tell you how many cars I have bought, fixed, sold over the years. I'd still be doing it if it wasn't for having a family to care for. Be responsible when you get older and have fun now.

While you are adding the brake booster consider swapping out the single brake line system to a dual.

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