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Post  PV Pilot Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:37 pm

SuperDave wrote:
PV Pilot wrote:You might get lucky and just by drilling out the broken piece it will work free from the heat of drilling.

Another option is to drill oversize and retap for a slightly larger screw.

Any oversize drilling would have to "spot on" accurate otherwise the engine would experience "bad vibes" from off balance when running..

Yes, very true. A experienced machine shop with all the proper tools would be in order.
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Post  andrew Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:27 pm

Kim --

Drilling a hole in a screw that size is almost impossible, especially using a drill press. If that 's the route you're considering, mounting the crank in a lathe and using a tailstock chuck would be your best bet.

However, from the pics, it looks like the crank extends beyond the drive plate. You probably know several A&Ps with access to a good lathe. My inclination would be to have the end of the crank faced off enough to give access to the screw. It can be cut back flush with the drive plate, if not slightly more. The extension beyond the driveplate only serves to help center a prop with a large hole. Just be careful to leave as much of the screw intact as possible so it doesn't get twisted off again.

Once you get the crank out of the case, you might cover it with a good penetrating oil and heat it for several hours to expand the crank and help the oil soak the threads.

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Post  fit90 Sat Oct 15, 2011 2:44 am

If you do get a drill press a couple of neat items to have are end mills and reverse rotation bits. In this case you could use the end mill to get a flat end on the broken screw then drill it with the left handed bit. Occasionally the bit will catch and take the screw out. Use a good center punch before you do any drilling.

Also, heat may help to loosen gunked up solvents but it also causes things to expand in all directions. This means that your crank shaft's inside will expand inward, causing it to grip the broken screw more tightly. If the heat does not work try shooting a refrigerant down the inside of the broken screw. I will cause the affected areas (the broken screw) to contract, making it easier to extract. I have used this method with success on full size aircraft.

If you do get a drill press get a good vise that mounts to the table. You will be surprised at how many tasks you will use the drill press and vise for.

Good luck and give us lots of pics,

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Post  Kim Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:07 pm

Thanks guys!

Yeah, it's WAY past time for me to be getting a good drill press...looking at a used one today. It it doesn't work out, I'll use my Magic Plastic and get a new one from Sears or Lowes later this afternoon.

It looks like I've finally got a free evening, and so, will review these suggestions on this little problem with the broken bolt. If it's assured that I CAN get a replacement crankshaft, I may venture ahead with an attempt to drill and remove it.

Guess I'm gonna re-join my local club also, since this is the second or third gift I've received from these good guys. With all the clubs and organizations I belong to, I may have to eventually file "Membership Bankruptcy" and apply for government aid ! (SERIOUSLY joking here !)

Anyway, bragging or crying, there WILL be a photo report following!

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Post  SuperDave Sat Oct 15, 2011 3:39 pm

Kim:

What you are seeing here on this thread represents the finest in our forum; people helping people with alternative suggestions.

(There may be some that actually ENVY you in your predicament) Laughing

Good luck in your attempt to correct it.
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Post  PV Pilot Sat Oct 15, 2011 4:00 pm

Kim wrote:Thanks guys!

Yeah, it's WAY past time for me to be getting a good drill press...looking at a used one today. It it doesn't work out, I'll use my Magic Plastic and get a new one from Sears or Lowes later this afternoon.

It looks like I've finally got a free evening, and so, will review these suggestions on this little problem with the broken bolt. If it's assured that I CAN get a replacement crankshaft, I may venture ahead with an attempt to drill and remove it.

Guess I'm gonna re-join my local club also, since this is the second or third gift I've received from these good guys. With all the clubs and organizations I belong to, I may have to eventually file "Membership Bankruptcy" and apply for government aid ! (SERIOUSLY joking here !)

Anyway, bragging or crying, there WILL be a photo report following!

Amateur Baby Engine Machinist Kim

A good friend just picked up a really nice table top mill machine, with a precise X Y axis table and all the clamp fixtures, endmills, flycutters, supports, ect. It also came with a box of Starrett measuring micrometers. I am jealous to say the least. He bought it off of Cragislist for about $400. The Starrett stuff is worth that alone. Take a peek there, you might find some deals.
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Post  Kim Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:54 pm

Financial damage incurred thus-far by Kim's free OK Cub: $337.09

This figure DOES NOT reflect the added costs of possible Hernia Surgery resulting from the solo assembly of this engine's "Accessories" !

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Post  PV Pilot Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:14 pm

Holy Schnikey's!!,,get after it!! lol.
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Post  Kim Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:26 pm

yeah...but first, I got to go to work and start filling the crater this sucker made in my toy budget....oh well.......
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Post  Kim Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:28 pm

Gentlemen,

On this fine and rainy morning in South East Missouri, I would like to present for your perusal and approval...one, fully-operational, 1951 OK Cub .074 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In the words of Little Richard, "Wop bopaloobaa, balo bam boom !!!!"

Didn't have enough daylight to tach it, and don't care. My "Model Airplane Nerd Sense" tells me that it's got enough umph! to drag a "Q-Tee" around the hill...and that's all it's got to do to make me happy !!!!!!!!


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Post  nitroairplane Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:36 pm

A great big pat on the back for you Kim. have a pint and toast for your success Beer Cheers
That thing looks like it would go great as a diesel.
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Post  Kim Wed Oct 19, 2011 2:01 pm

Thanks Nitro!

Yep, while it might go as a diesel, this one's gonna be drinking glowfuel during it's time in my stable! Also, I joined your forum, using my .060 as credentials ! Looking forward to the discussion of these things!

In the meantime, got to build something for all of these noise-makers I'm accumulating !

Later!
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Post  nitroairplane Wed Oct 19, 2011 2:06 pm

Kim wrote:Thanks Nitro!

Yep, while it might go as a diesel, this one's gonna be drinking glowfuel during it's time in my stable! Also, I joined your forum, using my .060 as credentials ! Looking forward to the discussion of these things!

In the meantime, got to build something for all of these noise-makers I'm accumulating !

Later!

Thanks for joining hopefully it will get rolling pretty soon.
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Post  PV Pilot Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:05 pm

AND IT LIVES!!,,Congrats Kim.

It looks like a drill and tap for the repair?
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Post  andrew Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:26 pm

OK, don't just show us the pretty lady doing her thing. What did you have to do to get her all dressed up and running?

We want the whole skinny.
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Post  Kim Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:11 pm

Sorry...feel like I jabber on here enough, and didn't want to wear out my welcome!

1. Woke up early (3:00am)...did my usual Folgers O.D. (don't laugh...this is a VERY important step!)

2. Bolted the Cub securely to a 1/4 aluminum plate, and wrapped everything in papertowel strips.

3 Carefully ground the end of the broken screw flat with my trusty Dremel.

4. Used the Dremel to grind myself a center punch from an old drill bit.

5. Took about 20 minutes to finally get the punch where I thought it was centered on the bolt, then hit the sucker.

6. Decided NOT to use my big, giant new drill press, and instead, put the Dremel in it's little press I've had for 30 years.

7. Got a pilot hole going, checking dept, then drilling then checking depth..ect. When it stopped easily throwing strips of metal, I stopped ,figuring I'd hit the hardened metal of the shaft.

8. Continued to re-drill, gradually increasing the bit sizes 'till I felt like I was pretty close to the threads all around.

9. When I was as close as I dared, I carefully started a 5-40 tapered tap down the hole, cleaning it after every 1/4 turn or so.

10. When it started fighting me, I already had more than a 1/4" of good threads, so I called it quits.

11. Cleaned it up, flushed the hole with alcohol, and put in a lock-tight coated 5-40 stud I cut from a cap screw.

12. Stuck a wooden 6-4 prop on it (wasn't sure what to use), and the thing startled me big-time by just cranking up! Think it just wanted some TLC !

Now, my problem is finding a project that needs to have holes drilled in it by a new drill press!
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Post  nitroairplane Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:22 pm

Kim wrote:Sorry...feel like I jabber on here enough, and didn't want to wear out my welcome!

1. Woke up early (3:00am)...did my usual Folgers O.D. (don't laugh...this is a VERY important step!)

2. Bolted the Cub securely to a 1/4 aluminum plate, and wrapped everything in papertowel strips.

3 Carefully ground the end of the broken screw flat with my trusty Dremel.

4. Used the Dremel to grind myself a center punch from an old drill bit.

5. Took about 20 minutes to finally get the punch where I thought it was centered on the bolt, then hit the sucker.

6. Decided NOT to use my big, giant new drill press, and instead, put the Dremel in it's little press I've had for 30 years.

7. Got a pilot hole going, checking dept, then drilling then checking depth..ect. When it stopped easily throwing strips of metal, I stopped ,figuring I'd hit the hardened metal of the shaft.

8. Continued to re-drill, gradually increasing the bit sizes 'till I felt like I was pretty close to the threads all around.

9. When I was as close as I dared, I carefully started a 5-40 tapered tap down the hole, cleaning it after every 1/4 turn or so.

10. When it started fighting me, I already had more than a 1/4" of good threads, so I called it quits.

11. Cleaned it up, flushed the hole with alcohol, and put in a lock-tight coated 5-40 stud I cut from a cap screw.

12. Stuck a wooden 6-4 prop on it (wasn't sure what to use), and the thing startled me big-time by just cranking up! Think it just wanted some TLC !

Now, my problem is finding a project that needs to have holes drilled in it by a new drill press!

I have one for you.
Take an 8cc not stunt tank and make it into a jerobee tank Smile
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Post  SuperDave Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:27 pm

Kim:

Thanks for the "play by play" description of the Cub resurection.

With a stud now in place of screw you are good to go.

Good work! (In with running time the remaning screw fragment may come loose if that ever becomes a concern)
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Post  nitroairplane Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:29 pm

SuperDave wrote:Kim:

Thanks for the "play by play" description of the Cub resurection.

With a stud now in place of screw you are good to go.

Good work! (In with running time the remaning screw fragment may come loose if that ever becomes a concern)

That's true wath the prop doesn't fly off one day.
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Post  Kim Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:38 pm

True..there's always that risk...but considering that things do fly off my planes every once in a while anyway, the threat level is really not elevated that much!!

On the 8cc tank, I'd help if I thought I could, but to paraphrase "Bones" McCoy, "I'm a Lucky Redneck...Not a Machinist!"
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Post  nitroairplane Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:40 pm

Kim wrote:True..there's always that risk...but considering that things do fly off my planes every once in a while anyway, the threat level is really not elevated that much!!

On the 8cc tank, I'd help if I thought I could, but to paraphrase "Bones" McCoy, "I'm a Lucky Redneck...Not a Machinist!"
No i was just giving you something to do with your new machine.
Or you could attempt to make a geared twin.
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Post  PV Pilot Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:16 pm

Nice work.

The tap "fighting you" might have been a hard spot in the metal or you bottomed out in your drilled hole. A good bottoming tap should have stopped up snug to your drilled hole. If you did use a bottoming tap, the interior bottom threads might be meak just due to the way the tap is cut. If you used a pointy end thru-tap, then you might have about 1/2 threads down in there.

Regardless of my speculation, good job. should be good to go with a carefull eye as you run it.

Folgers is a requirement,,that goes without saying,, Laughing .
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Post  Kim Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:35 pm

Thanks! Yeah, I didn't have a bottoming tap in 5-40...guess I'll get one to throw in the drawer. Andrew has recently provided me with some new hardware sources, so...$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!
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Post  nitroairplane Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:41 pm

Kim wrote:Sorry...feel like I jabber on here enough, and didn't want to wear out my welcome!

1. Woke up early (3:00am)...did my usual Folgers O.D. (don't laugh...this is a VERY important step!)

2. Bolted the Cub securely to a 1/4 aluminum plate, and wrapped everything in papertowel strips.

3 Carefully ground the end of the broken screw flat with my trusty Dremel.

4. Used the Dremel to grind myself a center punch from an old drill bit.

5. Took about 20 minutes to finally get the punch where I thought it was centered on the bolt, then hit the sucker.

6. Decided NOT to use my big, giant new drill press, and instead, put the Dremel in it's little press I've had for 30 years.

7. Got a pilot hole going, checking dept, then drilling then checking depth..ect. When it stopped easily throwing strips of metal, I stopped ,figuring I'd hit the hardened metal of the shaft.

8. Continued to re-drill, gradually increasing the bit sizes 'till I felt like I was pretty close to the threads all around.

9. When I was as close as I dared, I carefully started a 5-40 tapered tap down the hole, cleaning it after every 1/4 turn or so.

10. When it started fighting me, I already had more than a 1/4" of good threads, so I called it quits.

11. Cleaned it up, flushed the hole with alcohol, and put in a lock-tight coated 5-40 stud I cut from a cap screw.

12. Stuck a wooden 6-4 prop on it (wasn't sure what to use), and the thing startled me big-time by just cranking up! Think it just wanted some TLC !

Now, my problem is finding a project that needs to have holes drilled in it by a new drill press!

I have project fro you and you drill press Kim.
It is Make a diesel head for a cox engine.
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Post  Kim Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:01 pm

WOOF!

You trying to kill me, Nitro ??!!
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