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EXTREMELY RARE COX THIMBLE DROME PROTOTYPE "BLACK WIDOW" GAS MODEL AIRPLANE
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EXTREMELY RARE COX THIMBLE DROME PROTOTYPE "BLACK WIDOW" GAS MODEL AIRPLANE
WingingIt74 Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:36 am
This is for sale on eBay right now, but I thought some of the history should be shared here.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/EXTREMELY-RARE-COX-THIMBLE-DROME-PROTOTYPE-BLACK-WIDOW-GAS-MODEL-AIRPLANE-049-/120991714760?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c2bab0dc8
I find it interesting that being a "Black Widow" it only has a Babe Bee...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/EXTREMELY-RARE-COX-THIMBLE-DROME-PROTOTYPE-BLACK-WIDOW-GAS-MODEL-AIRPLANE-049-/120991714760?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c2bab0dc8
EXTREMELY RARE FIND STILL FACTORY MINT NEVER BEEN REMOVED FROM BOX UNTOUCHED PROTOTYPE.... THE COX (TD4) BLACK WIDOW (IN SPANISH VIUDA NEGRA) GAS POWERED READY TO FLY CONTROL LINE MODEL AIRPLANE ...... COMPLETE INCLUDING THE , STRING, CONTROL LINE HANDLE INSTRUCTIONS ...
WHAT LOOKS LIKE THE COX TD 4 PLASTIC FUSELAGE AND THE UNUSUAL IS THE WING,ELEVATOR IS MADE FROM BALSA WOOD, COX WAS PRODUCING IT FOR LODELA TOY COMPANY BUT NEVER WENT INTO PRODUCTION .... THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT SURVIVED BACK FROM 1972. EVEN THERE IS NO CELLOPHANE HAVE BEEN PLACE ON THE WIDOW BOX YET , THE PLANE IS SECURED INSIDE NEVER BEEN OPENED AS YOU CAN SEE ...
YOU WILL NOT SEE ONE LIKE THAT EXTREMELY RARE FIND AND READY TO BE DISPLAYED IN ANY COLLECTION A MUST FOR EVERY COLLECTOR OF READY TO FLY MODEL AIRPLANE , LIKE AURORA , COX THIMBLE DROME , WEN MAC .......
I find it interesting that being a "Black Widow" it only has a Babe Bee...
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Re: EXTREMELY RARE COX THIMBLE DROME PROTOTYPE "BLACK WIDOW" GAS MODEL AIRPLANE
PV Pilot Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:54 pm
Maybe the one and only Silver Bullet black widow prototype?
Or did we debunk that myth?
Or did we debunk that myth?
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Re: EXTREMELY RARE COX THIMBLE DROME PROTOTYPE "BLACK WIDOW" GAS MODEL AIRPLANE
WingingIt74 Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:59 pm
I can't say yes or no to the Silver Bullet Widow. I imagine Cox made some very special one-off engines from time to time, could have been the prototype for the Black Widow... who knows... I wasn't there.
"Silver Bullet" Black Widow thread, in case you haven't seen it:
https://www.coxengineforum.com/t2838-silver-bullet-black-widow
"Silver Bullet" Black Widow thread, in case you haven't seen it:
https://www.coxengineforum.com/t2838-silver-bullet-black-widow
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microflitedude Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:13 pm
No 8cc tank. I'd say it's a plain old Bee. It looks like the box has no film on the top, so the engine could have been swapped...
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Re: EXTREMELY RARE COX THIMBLE DROME PROTOTYPE "BLACK WIDOW" GAS MODEL AIRPLANE
WingingIt74 Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:16 pm
microflitedude wrote:No 8cc tank. I'd say it's a plain old Bee. It looks like the box has no film on the top, so the engine could have been swapped...
I would say not, considering this pic...
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Re: EXTREMELY RARE COX THIMBLE DROME PROTOTYPE "BLACK WIDOW" GAS MODEL AIRPLANE
Cribbs74 Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:13 am
Wish I could trace that bat wing out and reproduce it in balsa. I could knock the whole thing out for $15 to include an actual BW. Decals I can do also.
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happydad Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:31 am
cribbs74 wrote:Wish I could trace that bat wing out and reproduce it in balsa. I could knock the whole thing out for $15 to include an actual BW. Decals I can do also.
what, you never heard of approximation? build your own? scratch build? is this getting your creative juices flowing? i read the critical parameters like winspan and fuselage length and guestimate the sizes of the elevator stab, elevator moveable area, rudder fixed and rudder moveable areas and draw. the scallops or whatever you call the batwing stuff you can make with the appropriate size circle maker, or a quarter or a silver dollar, etc. whatever works.
btw i have been meaning to ask. how is it you get to stay in hotels? when i was temporary duty, TDY, i had to stay in open bay quarters with 50 other guys. even as an NCO E4/E5. different time, different place i guess.
p.s make something up. it will fly. also copy the pics to your home computer and print them 8 1/2 x 11inch.
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Re: EXTREMELY RARE COX THIMBLE DROME PROTOTYPE "BLACK WIDOW" GAS MODEL AIRPLANE
John Goddard Sat Sep 29, 2012 4:44 am
Remember the old maxim "if it looks right, it'll fly right"
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Re: EXTREMELY RARE COX THIMBLE DROME PROTOTYPE "BLACK WIDOW" GAS MODEL AIRPLANE
RknRusty Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:39 am
Cribbs is a Generalhappydad wrote:...btw i have been meaning to ask. how is it you get to stay in hotels? when i was temporary duty, TDY, i had to stay in open bay quarters with 50 other guys. even as an NCO E4/E5. different time, different place i guess....
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Re: EXTREMELY RARE COX THIMBLE DROME PROTOTYPE "BLACK WIDOW" GAS MODEL AIRPLANE
SuperDave Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:30 am
[/quote]Cribbs is a General [/quote]
In his own mind maybe.
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[/quote]In his own mind maybe.
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Re: EXTREMELY RARE COX THIMBLE DROME PROTOTYPE "BLACK WIDOW" GAS MODEL AIRPLANE
Cribbs74 Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:29 pm
No, I am not a General. I do tell folks at billeting that I am when I check in. Usually get a few laughs when I hand them my ID card. Sometimes just being nice nets me a good room.
I am also known as Les Generale amongst my coworkers.
Base billeting has come a long way during the last 18yrs. I have stayed in my share of bays and communal bathrooms when I was younger. In my line of work you are not judged by what's on your lapel or sleeve, it's how well you do your job. One day I may be sweeping a floor and the next I am briefing the base commander on how I fixed his airfield. That suits me just fine.
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I am also known as Les Generale amongst my coworkers.
Base billeting has come a long way during the last 18yrs. I have stayed in my share of bays and communal bathrooms when I was younger. In my line of work you are not judged by what's on your lapel or sleeve, it's how well you do your job. One day I may be sweeping a floor and the next I am briefing the base commander on how I fixed his airfield. That suits me just fine.
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happydad Sat Sep 29, 2012 5:47 pm
cribbs74 wrote:No, I am not a General. I do tell folks at billeting that I am when I check in. Usually get a few laughs when I hand them my ID card. Sometimes just being nice nets me a good room.
I am also known as Les Generale amongst my coworkers.
Base billeting has come a long way during the last 18yrs. I have stayed in my share of bays and communal bathrooms when I was younger. In my line of work you are not judged by what's on your lapel or sleeve, it's how well you do your job. One day I may be sweeping a floor and the next I am briefing the base commander on how I fixed his airfield. That suits me just fine.
Ron
for me it's been 18 + about 24years since i left the wild blue yonder, 1970. i will never forget my 2 TDY trips to Hawaii though. happydad
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Levent Suberk Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:49 pm
An old thread but interesting model. A plan can be drawn from photographs, I think.
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Re: EXTREMELY RARE COX THIMBLE DROME PROTOTYPE "BLACK WIDOW" GAS MODEL AIRPLANE
a betancourt Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:24 am
This airplane was sold by Lodela Cox, Lodela was a Mexican manufacturar who got the license of Cox RTF airplanes. The "Viuda Negra" used the Cox Firebaby fuselage and balsa wings and stab just like the Firebaby. The engine that came with the plane was an standard Baby Bee.
I will post photos of a "Viuda Negra" that I just bought.
This plane brings a lot of memories, in 1977 Santa Clause brought me a Cox Firebaby, it was the best flying Cox airplane that I ever had and at that time I remember seeing the "Viuda Negra" at department stores.
I have been looking for a Cox Firebaby and Viuda Negra for a long time and I have just been able to find the Viuda Negra, it should arrive in a couple of days.
I will post photos of a "Viuda Negra" that I just bought.
This plane brings a lot of memories, in 1977 Santa Clause brought me a Cox Firebaby, it was the best flying Cox airplane that I ever had and at that time I remember seeing the "Viuda Negra" at department stores.
I have been looking for a Cox Firebaby and Viuda Negra for a long time and I have just been able to find the Viuda Negra, it should arrive in a couple of days.
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Re: EXTREMELY RARE COX THIMBLE DROME PROTOTYPE "BLACK WIDOW" GAS MODEL AIRPLANE
GallopingGhostler Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:43 am
May be the term black widow comes from the styling of the aircraft with spiders displayed, the ghoulish Halloween styled (el día del muerte - the day of the dead) airframe.
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rsv1cox Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:10 am
Is that a Red Widow, or maybe a Bed Bug.....
No matter, I love it and would scoop it up if given the chance.
I was in Mexico in 1954, wonder what's it's vintage. Definitely post Space Bug Jr's.
No matter, I love it and would scoop it up if given the chance.
I was in Mexico in 1954, wonder what's it's vintage. Definitely post Space Bug Jr's.
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a betancourt Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:12 am
This plane was sold between 1976 and 1978 only in Mexico.
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a betancourt Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:50 pm
Finally
, after many years looking for the Viuda Negra, today I received it.
, after many years looking for the Viuda Negra, today I received it.
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Hope you didn’t pay the 2012 price. It was outta site!
happydad Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:03 pm
a betancourt wrote:Finally
, after many years looking for the Viuda Negra, today I received it.
Beautiful and looks as good as the black widow above, I just hope you did not pay nearly as much as they sold the black widow for back in 2012. Way, way too much.
Enjoy. Happydad
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a betancourt Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:14 pm
No, I paid the equivalent to 100 USD.
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GallopingGhostler Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:18 pm
Nice, it definitely has the outlines of a trainer, it proportions sort of remind me of Walt Musciano's Scientific profile American Boy kit plane. May be one of these days there will be a contest to judge the best looking retro makes of Cox RTF's.
As Ron suggested, if you could template patterns of the outlines of parts to scale or even straight aligned photos that could be scaled, so it could be recreated, would allow others to make a replica model of it. This would help to preserve this rare specimen.
As Ron suggested, if you could template patterns of the outlines of parts to scale or even straight aligned photos that could be scaled, so it could be recreated, would allow others to make a replica model of it. This would help to preserve this rare specimen.
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rsv1cox Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:54 pm
An - out of the box picture would be nice.
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a betancourt Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:58 pm
Later today I will take detailed photos and will post them here.
I am very excited of being able to get this plane, I have been looking for this and a Cox Firebaby for a very long time. I am still looking for the Firebaby.
I am very excited of being able to get this plane, I have been looking for this and a Cox Firebaby for a very long time. I am still looking for the Firebaby.
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rsv1cox Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:49 pm
I have the poor mans version. Jim Walker's "Firebaby."
Made a replica using it's outlines.
Made a replica using it's outlines.
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a betancourt Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:02 pm
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