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John Goddard Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:28 am
No, not a line from one of the best gangster movies.....
My loverly new 94 Texaco has a prop hub spacer fitted, for those 7+8 inch props and is metal not plastic.
I've not seen one before either in the flesh, my (now Rons) 92ish one didn't have one,
neither do any of the usual on line photos.
Was it only a 1994 thing?
If you have a 'nib' take a look.
J
My loverly new 94 Texaco has a prop hub spacer fitted, for those 7+8 inch props and is metal not plastic.
I've not seen one before either in the flesh, my (now Rons) 92ish one didn't have one,
neither do any of the usual on line photos.
Was it only a 1994 thing?
If you have a 'nib' take a look.
J
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Cribbs74 Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:51 am
John Goddard wrote:No, not a line from one of the best gangster movies.....
My loverly new 94 Texaco has a prop hub spacer fitted, for those 7+8 inch props and is metal not plastic.
I've not seen one before either in the flesh, my (now Rons) 92ish one didn't have one,
neither do any of the usual on line photos.
Was it only a 1994 thing?
If you have a 'nib' take a look.
J
Had I'd seen it I would have snatched it! Then we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
In the first series of Texaco engines it was probably recognized as being a problem. In the later series it was more than likely corrected. That's my guess anyway.
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John Goddard Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:55 am
The ironic thing Ron is that the hex drive prop drivers all seem to have the facility for them but I've not
seen a spacer before.
Bernie lists a placcy version but....
seen a spacer before.
Bernie lists a placcy version but....
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WingingIt74 Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:59 am
I thought it was a Texaco only thing to allow the larger prop to fit properly. I have a metal spacer. If I remember I'll take a pic.
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John Goddard Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:05 pm
Nice one Travis, do you know what year it is?
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WingingIt74 Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:07 pm
I may be able to narrow it down, it came with a box I bought on ebay.
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John Goddard Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:15 pm
If not on the inlay card, don't forget to look at the 'Litho in USA' date on the instruction leaflet.
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John Goddard Wed Sep 12, 2012 4:51 pm
Well blow me down I've not seen one with non drag and it's not a hex drive either.
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Cribbs74 Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:12 pm
John Goddard wrote:Well blow me down I've not seen one with non drag and it's not a hex drive either.
Yeah, that's a new one. Was it ever modified Ian?
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ian1954 Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:23 pm
No. Both engines are new in box - never used.
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gcb Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:18 pm
If I remember correctly the Texaco was originally made with the non-friction starter spring, the later one may have been made near the end.
The spacer in question is removable. I think my Texaco came with the spacer and a longer prop screw in a bag. Here are some pics of the spacer:
George
The spacer in question is removable. I think my Texaco came with the spacer and a longer prop screw in a bag. Here are some pics of the spacer:
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Jason_WI Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:32 pm
Here is my Jan 17 1998 Texaco showing the spacer, longer prop screw and instructions. It also has the Venom style drive plate. My 1993 Texaco has the hex drive plate and just the Texaco instructions. No spacer or longer prop screw.
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John Goddard Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:54 am
Well if these are all unmolested and we chuck Ron's rose coloured one in as well I think we have perhaps the best example of Cox chucking whatever was to hand at any given time to package them up.
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John Goddard Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:25 am
Oh No I've been thinking again.
Duck and cover....
I remember we established sometime ago that the pre 92's came with a standard head so I think Ian's '91' above must be later.
Duck and cover....
I remember we established sometime ago that the pre 92's came with a standard head so I think Ian's '91' above must be later.
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WingingIt74 Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:26 am
John Goddard wrote:Oh No I've been thinking again.
Duck and cover....
I remember we established sometime ago that the pre 92's came with a standard head so I think Ian's '91' above must be later.
I believe your correct.
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fit90 Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:30 am
I have a very late one (no date on anything but purchased with a group of very late Estes engines from a LHS owner) and it not only has the zero drag drive heavy drive plate but also a spring. The instructions say it has two prop screws but only a standard size screw is in the box. The longer screw could have been a casualty of time.
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John Goddard Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:36 am
Quite a famous collector over here said to me
"I love guys like you John you make my 'never will runs' worth more money...."
Just stumbled on my once only ever run.
Sorry it was one my old Iphone 3 but you get the idea.
It's now taken up residence in Oklahoma
"I love guys like you John you make my 'never will runs' worth more money...."
Just stumbled on my once only ever run.
Sorry it was one my old Iphone 3 but you get the idea.
It's now taken up residence in Oklahoma
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gcb Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:01 pm
John Goddard wrote:Well if these are all unmolested and we chuck Ron's rose coloured one in as well I think we have perhaps the best example of Cox chucking whatever was to hand at any given time to package them up.
The most extreme example I have experienced of their "chucking" was when I bought a Black Widow at my LHS that had a complete .09 reset tool in the back with the wrenches!
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ian1954 Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:22 am
There also appears to be a variation in the backplate used - mine are black, others are grey.
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fit90 Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:30 am
gcb wrote:John Goddard wrote:Well if these are all unmolested and we chuck Ron's rose coloured one in as well I think we have perhaps the best example of Cox chucking whatever was to hand at any given time to package them up.
The most extreme example I have experienced of their "chucking" was when I bought a Black Widow at my LHS that had a complete .09 reset tool in the back with the wrenches!
George
Mine had/has an .09 wrench in it. I never thought much about it until this thread. Was somebody at Estes just trying to avoid a trip to the dumpster, shipping, storage or something like that? Who knows?
A Black Widow I got in the same lot was missing the venturi O ring and the plastic piece that engages the prop on the cam activated spring starter. The engine had never been run and probably never opened or fondled until I got my grubby hands on it.
Since I plan on running mine and open the engines to check everything out before running them it is not a deal to me. Still interesting though.
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PV Pilot Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:19 am
Kinda scary. Estes in a rush mode, or so tired of the sale losses that they just packed and tossed stuff on the shelves.
"But this is a 09 tool?,,whatever,, stick it in there".
"But this is a 09 tool?,,whatever,, stick it in there".
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