Baby Ringmaster 2012-2012 R.I.P

cribbs74 wrote:Outside loop attempt again........



Didn't look real bad until I removed the covering!

Not to worry she will fly again. Kim this is your fault!

Oh sure, climb and then loop! Ha! Just kidding. Now I am going to be petrified to do it again.

Still having fun!

Ron

may i make a tiny suggestion? 1/64inch thick plywood, minimum, from about 1 inch behind the leading edge to the engine mount. if you need some i'll send the pieces cutout. just tell me the winspan.

edited 11:22p.m. PST: and remember Kim's (?) motto: never give up and keep em flying.

p.s. and remember it's not "practice makes perfect", it's "perfect practice make perfect" - vince lombardi

happydad

Oh Shoot !!!!!!!!

Does it just not turn a tight-enough loop and hits the ground at the bottom, or does it roll in on you? Man, hope you can get it going again without too much trouble!

Kim is now laying low for a while !!!!

Are you trying an outside loop from level inverted flight, or an English bunt?

Kim wrote:Oh Shoot !!!!!!!!

Does it just not turn a tight-enough loop and hits the ground at the bottom, or does it roll in on you? Man, hope you can get it going again without too much trouble!

Kim is now laying low for a while !!!!

No actually she was flying fine, I straightened the wing up, but have no idea if that helped anything as I had only done a couple warm up laps before this happened.
I was totally kidding about it being your fault. You had made a good suggestion on how to perform the manouver. I think I started too low and there just wasn't enough room between the plane and the ground.

happydad wrote:

cribbs74 wrote:Outside loop attempt again........



Didn't look real bad until I removed the covering!

Not to worry she will fly again. Kim this is your fault!

Oh sure, climb and then loop! Ha! Just kidding. Now I am going to be petrified to do it again.

Still having fun!

Ron

may i make a tiny suggestion? 1/64inch thick plywood, minimum, from about 1 inch behind the leading edge to the engine mount. if you need some i'll send the pieces cutout. just tell me the winspan.

edited 11:22p.m. PST: and remember Kim's (?) motto: never give up and keep em flying.

p.s. and remember it's not "practice makes perfect", it's "perfect practice make perfect" - vince lombardi

happydad

That's the plan! Make it stronger then head back out. I need to have two planes so I can keep moving forward after I break one.

This is too much fun to give up. Just wish the learning curve wasn't so steep!!!!

lousyflyer wrote:Are you trying an outside loop from level inverted flight, or an English bunt?

Yes outside from level. I am a long ways off from an English Bunt!

RknRusty wrote:Oh my, that makes me sad. Poor baby. She just did not want to do the things you needed from her. There will be others, and you'll find one that enjoys your exotic needs. Too bad we don't live closer so when you find the hot-wrapped oiled up sleek beauty of your dreams we could meet for a swap.

Wow! Some pretty heavy undertones in that one Rusty.

The solution is simple - get yourself an old trampoline for practice.

lousyflyer wrote:The solution is simple - get yourself an old trampoline for practice.

That or learn to fly...........

Excellent art work BTW!

Place the center of your flying circle at the edge of a deep canyon,,and try the death loop in the deep spaces inbetween,,just no mis-steps.

Tall landing gear on the top of the wing,,like the wing walker/Acro biplane teams have.

Ron, with everything you've learned with the Ringmaster, I think your next plane, whatever it is, will be a happy surprise the first time you try some tricks with it. Provided you don't get too excited and drop the handle. You'll be like I was, in disbelief wondering what the heck was so hard about it. Outside loops are riskier, so just start high. I have a video on the Tube of my first loop and I shouted "I did it!" My son with his cell-cam shouts "Do it again," and I did about six but it sucked air and crashed on the seventh try.
It was a while before I did outside loops much. I did figure eights first, which I found less risky, you just have to back peddle and have your engine running fast. And I was also accomplished at roundy-round flying long before I was trying stunts.

RknRusty wrote:Ron, with everything you've learned with the Ringmaster, I think your next plane, whatever it is, will be a happy surprise the first time you try some tricks with it. Provided you don't get too excited and drop the handle. You'll be like I was, in disbelief wondering what the heck was so hard about it. Outside loops are riskier, so just start high. I have a video on the Tube of my first loop and I shouted "I did it!" My son with his cell-cam shouts "Do it again," and I did about six but it sucked air and crashed on the seventh try.
It was a while before I did outside loops much. I did figure eights first, which I found less risky, you just have to back peddle and have your engine running fast. And I was also accomplished at roundy-round flying long before I was trying stunts.

My next victim will be the Bean or the Baby Clown as I have laser kits for both. I also now have plans for a Baby Flight streak! I am going to fix this one though as it does fly well.

Perhaps I should set the outside loop aside for a while and work on the figure 8. I may be biting off more than I can chew.

The Baby Ringmaster is basically a small collection of parts that follows an engine around. Not enough wing area to do much more than fly in circles.

Both of those look like good flyers. I had a good time with my Bean. I've never had a Clown but it has a larger wing so it might fly stunts even more easily than the Bean.

lousyflyer wrote:The solution is simple - get yourself an old trampoline for practice.

I hope there is no copyright assigned to this excellent technical drawing, as it now resides as my computer's screen saver !!!

"Failure can be success if you learn from it." - from The collected "Timeless Wisdoms" of SD.

BTW, starting with decent elevation my BR does an outside loop just fine. Kim's TD .051 makes it EZ.

SuperDave wrote:"Failure can be success if you learn from it." - from The collected "Timeless Wisdoms" of SD.

BTW, starting with decent elevation my BR does an outside loop just fine. Kim's TD .051 makes it EZ.

Dave,

Have you taken lap times with your Baby Ring? With a tanked Widow it hums along pretty good, I imagine with a TD it just screams! Right now it moves faster than I can react at times. I am on 30' lines, but I could safely go out to 35' max. The Widow will VOG the BRM right off the stooge if I give it too much elevator so the power to weight ratio seems excellent.

I imagine I just need more practice in getting it right.

A TeeDee .051 on a Baby Ringmaster? Yikes!

cribbs74 wrote:

happydad wrote:

cribbs74 wrote:Outside loop attempt again........



Didn't look real bad until I removed the covering!

Not to worry she will fly again. Kim this is your fault!

Oh sure, climb and then loop! Ha! Just kidding. Now I am going to be petrified to do it again.

Still having fun!

Ron

may i make a tiny suggestion? 1/64inch thick plywood, minimum, from about 1 inch behind the leading edge to the engine mount. if you need some i'll send the pieces cutout. just tell me the winspan.

edited 11:22p.m. PST: and remember Kim's (?) motto: never give up and keep em flying.

p.s. and remember it's not "practice makes perfect", it's "perfect practice make perfect" - vince lombardi

happydad

That's the plan! Make it stronger then head back out. I need to have two planes so I can keep moving forward after I break one.

This is too much fun to give up. Just wish the learning curve wasn't so steep!!!!

so where do you want me to send the sterling baby ringmaster? happydad

PM incoming.

Ron:

I fly the BR on 35 foot lines and it's still pretty quick and agile. I'm using a 1/3 ounce Brodak wedge tank and the run time is about right for me of advancing years. Although I've yet to try inverted flight I'm sure the "hot rod" BR is capable.

BTW, without a Brodak catalog tank selection is pretty much a crap shoot so it's easy to select the wrong one. Having done this and retrned tanks to Brodak, John sent me a catalog gratis.

Problem solved. John Brodak is a good guy IMO.

SuperDave wrote:Ron:

I fly the BR on 35 foot lines and it's still pretty quick and agile. I'm using a 1/3 ounce Brodak wedge tank and the run time is about right for me of advancing years. Although I've yet to try inverted flight I'm sure the "hot rod" BR is capable.

BTW, without a Brodak catalog tank selection is pretty much a crap shoot so it's easy to select the wrong one. Having done this and retrned tanks to Brodak, John sent me a catalog gratis.

Problem solved. John Brodak is a good guy IMO.

Yeah John is a good guy, I spoke with him a few times and he seem to genuinely care. I had a tank issue and I told him what tank was required in the plans and he told me what the current equivalent would be. I wish Brodak would be a little more proactive in stocking the 1/2A kits they have listed. I had been waiting for months for a Jumpin Bean and a Li'l Satan and still nothing. Luckily Joe sold me a Bean and Indra bought me a Baby Clown to keep me occupied for a while.

Currently my BRM is running a Black Widow so an external tank is not required. If I decide to get serious and run a TD I may hit you up for suggestions.

Ron

Ron, I just thought of something. Have you ever noticed in my earlier videos I always had a streamer trailing the plane? I first put it there to help the camera and audience see it, and I thought it looked cool. But I'm pretty sure the drag made it easier for me to control it when I was learning to fly loops and 8s and such. I started out with red Christmas tissue like you stuff in gift bags. About 2" wide and 3 or 4' long. I tied it to a dacron string long enough to clear the airframe. After that I used a crepe paper ribbon, but it deteriorates faster and leaves a trail of bits.
It might be worth a try.