Cox Website

Ivanhoe Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:07 pm

I have only just discovered that Cox have a website, yes THAT Cox,

http://www.coxmodels.com/

They seem to be producing a number of RTF models, and the blurb on the page states that they are the same Cox who made all the stuff in the 50s & 60s
Am I the only person who didn't know that Cox still exist?

EXModelEngines Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:10 pm

Yes, Estes/Cox was purchased by Hobbico and what you see are basically Hobbico electric planes with the Cox name on them.

I have heard nothing recently about their interest in gas-powered engines, but about a year ago they expressed no interest in such a thing.

Matt

nitroairplane Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:15 pm

Yes I did know about this.
In my opinion they are tainting the cox name by just selling re branded nine eagles planes.

**Cribbs74** Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:20 pm

Hmmm Wilf,

I have seen them before and I have seen some of those planes at my LHS. Not sure if they are truly Cox but, perhaps have rights to market products under the Cox name.

Maybe Matt or Bernie can shed some light on this.......

**Cribbs74** Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:21 pm

Nevermind......

Ivanhoe Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:26 pm

So, it looks like I AM the only person who didn't know that! Duuhhhh!

EXModelEngines Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:29 pm

Yes, they own the Cox name, thus being able to profit from it by putting this name on many of the RTF electrics.

Matt

nitroairplane Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:34 pm

EXModelEngines wrote:Yes, they own the Cox name, thus being able to profit from it by putting this name on many of the RTF electrics.

Matt

But the problem is they are not designed by cox, estes or even hobbico they are clones of the ORIGINAL Chinese nine eagles.
Look what the world has come to, American company making inferior copies of a Chinese product.
Hobbico be ashamed!

**Cribbs74** Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:40 pm

Ivanhoe wrote:So, it looks like I AM the only person who didn't know that! Duuhhhh!

Not a big deal Wilf, you weren't missing out on anything in my opinion. That's probably why it has never come up for discussion before.

andrew Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:44 pm

That website has been up since 2004 or before. They were the ones that were selling off the Surestarts for 6.99 --- I always looked it as a glowplug with a free engine attached. Very Happy

EXModelEngines Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:46 pm

nitroairplane wrote:
EXModelEngines wrote:Yes, they own the Cox name, thus being able to profit from it by putting this name on many of the RTF electrics.

Matt
But the problem is they are not designed by cox, estes or even hobbico they are clones of the ORIGINAL Chinese nine eagles.
Look what the world has come to, American company making inferior copies of a Chinese product.
Hobbico be ashamed!

I fully agree, but through the purchasing of Estes/Cox Hobbico can basically do whatever they want with what they have the rights to.

Matt

Cox International Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:12 pm

They are not the same people/website that were selling the $7 surestart engines. Hobbico bought Estes/Cox in January 2010.

After dealing with their aggressive lawyer about 2 years ago (with the end result of me telling him to go jump in the lake - or a more polite form thereof) I am kind of believing that one of their objectives is to defend the trademark by slapping it onto some product they have.

At last count Hobbico had zero interest in making anything Cox that is gas engines.

That's where Matt and I hold the torch lol!

nitroairplane Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:19 pm

Watch out, when they see you guys are doing well......

Cox International Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:30 pm

Oh they saw that and that is why zeroed in on us.

I don't want to get specific but what I last said to them made them back off and leave me alone.

However, because I would not acquiesce to their demands they said they would not license me for distribution. I nearly fell off my chair laughing.

nitroairplane Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:33 pm

Oh rural I believe we talked about that in the chatbox...
And then something about trouble with them not being able to because of you being in Canada.

engine049 Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:38 pm

Cox International wrote:Oh they saw that and that is why zeroed in on us.

I don't want to get specific but what I last said to them made them back off and leave me alone.

However, because I would not acquiesce to their demands they said they would not license me for distribution. I nearly fell off my chair laughing.

First sale and exhaustion in the USA

I found this off some website somewhere. Not sure about Canadian laws or Bernies arrangements I know He's in business so i guess all is kosher

In the USA, the trademark holder cannot act against domestic resellers of products he put on the market himself. The same applies if the product was manufactured by a third party with permission of the trademark holder (a licensee). This is called the "first sale" doctrine. The idea behind it is that the trademark holder has had a chance to ensure the quality of the product and to make money of the first sale, and then he no longer has a right to control further distribution of that product. Of course it only applies to the particular products he put on the market, making an exact copy of that product and selling that is trademark infringement.

So said the website. All that is just a bunch of legal mumbo jumbo I don't understand Wink

Cox International Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:43 pm

nitroairplane wrote:Oh rural I believe we talked about that in the chatbox...
And then something about trouble with them not being able to because of you being in Canada.

It was not really because we are located in Canada. It's more complicated than that but the main thing is they get to sell their foamies and I get to sell the product they are no longer interested in.

nitroairplane Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:44 pm

Yup and I know what I buy!

PS we ordered your RC flyer can't wait to see how it goes.

Cox International Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:56 pm

Thanks and it's flying over the big pond as we speak but, unfortunatley, we lost RC control when it got out of range Smile

nitroairplane Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:00 pm

That's ok I have enough FF experience to know well built things always come home safe!
Indra

Cox International Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:13 pm

Cox International wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:Oh rural I believe we talked about that in the chatbox...
And then something about trouble with them not being able to because of you being in Canada.

It was not really because we are located in Canada. It's more complicated than that but the main thing is they get to sell their foamies and I get to sell the product they are no longer interested in.

And I don't believe their lawyer found this quite as amusing as I did

www.hobbicosucks.com

lol!

nitroairplane Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:21 pm

Now who could have made that?! Paranoid

Cox International Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:25 pm

nitroairplane wrote:Now who could have made that?!

oooooohhhhhh.... no idea Very Happy

**Admin** Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:52 pm

Cox International wrote:
Cox International wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:Oh rural I believe we talked about that in the chatbox...
And then something about trouble with them not being able to because of you being in Canada.

It was not really because we are located in Canada. It's more complicated than that but the main thing is they get to sell their foamies and I get to sell the product they are no longer interested in.

And I don't believe their lawyer found this quite as amusing as I did

www.hobbicosucks.com