Mudhens posts deleted

crankbndr Tue Jun 07, 2022 8:59 am

I noticed all of his posts are gone

balogh Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:39 pm

Yes I also noted with regret, wondering why, because he is a living witness as a former employee of the COX factory in its heydays..

rsv1cox Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:41 pm

Sads news. Wonder why. Huge insider for Cox parts and triva. Owns many including a Yellow Cox Mercedes.

He has helped me with hard to find parts, mostly for my Cox Mercedes tether cars among others. I have his address both on-line and snail mail, maybe I will drop him a line.

GallopingGhostler Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:49 pm

Not sure why all his posts (some 400?) that were editable had all commenting deleted. Did someone log in as @Mudhen? Does @Admin, @Cribbs74 have any clue?

Those posts locked (no further commenting permitted) still remain, for example:

https://www.coxengineforum.com/t1045-cox-engine-of-the-month-entry-closed#15328

**Admin** Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:06 pm

We noticed that earlier this year. I'm not sure why he did that. It must've taken quite awhile to go through and edit out each post.

Ron exchanged messages with him shortly after we noticed it, and Mudhen simply said he "blabs too much" and wished him well.

So, I'm not sure what was up. No indication that he got in an argument with anyone or was upset over anything on the forum. He never asked to have his account deactivated. I hope he's still alright. It would be nice to hear from him again in the future.

And no, restoring the posts are not possible (so even if he asked to have them restored, it cannot be done).

balogh Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:17 pm

[quote="Admin"]...

Ron exchanged messages with him shortly after we noticed it, and Mudhen simply said he "blabs too much" and wished him well.

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His "blabbing " about life at the COX factory was worth a lot to me..I hope he will return and tells us more of what he knows..

crankbndr Tue Jun 07, 2022 7:04 pm

Much valuable information is lost.....

At least I saved this

getback Wed Jun 08, 2022 11:29 am

that is sad , he is not on here that much but Very useful information that was always correct . Small Cox Logo

Kim Wed Jun 08, 2022 4:45 pm

Gonna miss him.

sosam117 Thu Jun 09, 2022 6:47 am

That is sad Sad

Once Mudhen is gone, all that knowledge will be gone with him.

Like I was fortune enough to talk to my grandmother about how she came over to America from Ireland.
She was "sponsored" by a family here in the USA where she was an indentured servant until she paid off the debt to the "family" that paid for her travel over to the USA.

There is a lot more to this story.

Like, as grandma worked my mom was shipped to different boarding schools because grandma didn't have time to raise my mom so, grandma had her go to boarding schools as my mom grew up. Grandma paid for the boarding schools along with the dept she had to pay the "sponsored" family that brought her over from Ireland.

History like that can be lost if it is not passed on?

GallopingGhostler Thu Jun 09, 2022 7:40 am

Yes, history lost. Example, a well documented historical site on Sterling models went offline may be a year ago. It had all sorts of trivia on company history, its models and designers, manufacturing and facilities, tech.

This is a problem with web versus books.

balogh Thu Jun 09, 2022 7:55 am

Are we sure that Mudhen is "gone" for good from CEF for any reason, or, he is just silent? With almost 11 years since his registration here, he only had 480 or so posts altogether, maybe he is just taking different pastimes and comes back intermittently.

I am not Facebook enthusiast, but here is a site for Sterling models:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2112064055697000

GallopingGhostler Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:46 am

balogh wrote:I am not Facebook enthusiast, but here is a site for Sterling models:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2112064055697000

Group is private, one must join to see. I deleted Roddie

my Fb00k account a year ago, when it turned "woke" Crazy Eyes

with its censorship Censored

of otherwise decent comments. Tired w/ Coffee Read

KariFS Thu Jun 09, 2022 9:10 am

balogh wrote:Are we sure that Mudhen is "gone" for good from CEF for any reason, or, he is just silent? With almost 11 years since his registration here, he only had 480 or so posts altogether, maybe he is just taking different pastimes and comes back intermittently.

I am not Facebook enthusiast, but here is a site for Sterling models:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2112064055697000

Deleting his posts would indicate he had the intention to ”stay gone”. Editing one post to only contain ” . ” may happen unintentionally, but editing 400+ posts takes some time. A hiatus is one thing, deleting one’s posts is another.

In any case, I hope everything is ok with him.

**944_Jim** Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:56 am

GallopingGhostler wrote:Yes, history lost. Example, a well documented historical site on Sterling models went offline may be a year ago. It had all sorts of trivia on company history, its models and designers, manufacturing and facilities, tech.

This is a problem with web versus books.

The Wayback Machine may have taken partial backups/snapshots of that old Sterling site.

I find jumping between different snapshot times may provide different data sets for a given site.

https://web.archive.org/web/2016*/http://home.mindspring.com/~jeff.coons/vintagesterlingmodels/

GallopingGhostler Thu Jun 09, 2022 12:56 pm

944_Jim wrote:The Wayback Machine may have taken partial backups/snapshots of that old Sterling site. I find jumping between different snapshot times may provide different data sets for a given site.

https://web.archive.org/web/2016*/http://home.mindspring.com/~jeff.coons/vintagesterlingmodels/

Thanks, Jim. Thumbs Up

Inasmuch as one may be able to glean some useful info from them, unfortunately the capture process is not perfect, may be captures 50 to 75%, IMO. Popcorn

I had a nice, detailed motorcycle repairs and travels blog maintained on Geocities. They sent me notice, then discontinued all free (or otherwise?) Geocities account content about 8 years ago. tongue

The Wayback missed links to my other Geocities pages, capturing may be 30%.

Photobucket discontinued all free accounts about 6 years ago, which broke a lot of older reference pages, even posts here in CEF.

This is why I like to scan and upload photos of book pages, (or locate on the 'net) because they are invaluable to me. Those who purchased the last of the Cox Compendium are indeed blessed, occasionally I see users post clips from their book to help clarify missing bits of history, and engine details not easily found elsewhere. Thumbs Up

Going back to Mudhens, just a word of kind advice in general, not point fingers to any particular individual. Shh

I consider these knowledgeable ones as elders most worthy of respect. We need to make sure when we post, that we carefully consider their information and advice. If there is any discrepancy or disagreement, to respectfully discuss why with substantiating evidence in a kind manner, so we gain their respect and don't offend them.

(If possibly controversial, we can consider sending a PM to them first to clear any misunderstandings or for further clarification or ask for phone number and call, prior to on-line reply. This way, we don't embarrass them in public.) Smile

As time goes, they are indeed a fading source. Crying or Very sad

Captured page from defunct Flame Warriors blog by gifted artist and humorist "Ent", Mike Reed

These including Mudhens are our CEF Small Cox Logo

Ents.

rsv1cox Thu Jun 09, 2022 2:48 pm

Perhaps Brian was caught in the "Internet is written in ink, not pencil" conundrum and someone took exception to something he wrote and contacted him about it. "Blabs too much" and deleting all of his posts. A possible explanation.

Doesn't matter, I hold him in high regard.

balogh Thu Jun 09, 2022 4:40 pm

What is this COX Compendium that George refers to? Is that Dan Sitter's COX Model Engine Handbook?

GallopingGhostler Thu Jun 09, 2022 6:32 pm

rsv1cox wrote:Perhaps Brian was caught in the "Internet is written in ink, not pencil" conundrum and someone took exception to something he wrote and contacted him about it. "Blabs too much" and deleting all of his posts. A possible explanation. Doesn't matter, I hold him in high regard.

I think Bob, you may be closer to the truth. Problem in these model airplane forums is although many are respectful, all it takes is one or two to troll someone. I have seen this to include the now gone Stuka Stunt and on Stunt Hangar. Brian spoke of his personal experiences being an actual employee of the company and intimate with its products during the time he was employed there. He was not infallible but very sincere. Unfortunately, some people rather than keying on the strength of his experiences and knowledge, may have considered his humble sincerity as a weakness. (Remember the movie, Idiocrasy Wink

)

There was a 2002 UK Hyphenation blog by Dave Thorp, with a detailed explanation on trolling, but is no longer available (domain for sale) except through the Wayback machine. It was geared toward the Usenet, which was originally designed for college level academics to communicate on, who more or less had manners and overall respect for each other. When it was opened up to the world, it did not have sufficient checks and became a trolling haven.

However, Dave did have a few key points that might explain why people do this nefarious activity. I have hidden the text in a spoiler for those who prefer not to read.

http://web.archive.org/web/20050209093630/hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/anti_troll_faq.htm

Subject 6. Why do they do it?:

I think Subjects 6.1 & 6.5 probably explain the majority of posting nastiness, maybe 6.2 & 6.6 also. Tired w/ Coffee Read

balogh wrote:What is this COX Compendium that George refers to? Is that Dan Sitter's COX Model Engine Handbook?

It is Andras, thanks for clarifying. Thumbs Up

Because I don't have, couldn't remember his name. Doh!

balogh Thu Jun 09, 2022 11:30 pm

Thank you George for clarifying...too bad, I have that book, but was hoping there was another detailed COX literature that I had not read and should therefore find. Very Happy

GallopingGhostler Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:32 am

Anyone know what happened to @Mark Boesen? His last post was Jan 1, 2022 with engine-of-the-month entry, won it Jan 10 with his Twin Needle Thermal Hopper with a Cage Mount.

rsv1cox Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:07 am

GallopingGhostler wrote:Anyone know what happened to @Mark Boesen? His last post was Jan 1, 2022 with engine-of-the-month entry, won it Jan 10 with his Twin Needle Thermal Hopper with a Cage Mount.

My son is on his Facebook page which he says is quite active along with his forum.

But reminds me, Brian told me that he was writing a book about his time at Cox with emphasis on the Cox Mercedes. I fed him some of my experiences with them, but don't know whatever became of it. Fascinating that Cox Mercedes.

GallopingGhostler Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:35 am

I didn't know Mark was a Cox employee also. Very Happy

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