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Cars-Stars 2019 "Rodd-E-Liminator"
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Cars-Stars 2019 "Rodd-E-Liminator"
Rather than continuing to clutter the contest thread with my build.. and every little OCD-added nuance.. I decided to start a separate thread.
Summary..
I started this build late.. (on 3-31-19) I'd never had a IC engine-powered car; tether/RC/free-running or otherwise.. but I got sucked-in by the hype..
I took a simple "profile-design" into consideration.. got out my "French-curves" and started drawing onto some old 3mm luan ply stock which I have a surplus of.
I had a direct-drive design in my head from the get-go. "What the heck".. if I can get it to hook-up.. it'll fly...... right?
I took a simple "profile-design" into consideration.. got out my "French-curves" and started drawing onto some old 3mm luan ply stock which I have a surplus of.
I had a direct-drive design in my head from the get-go. "What the heck".. if I can get it to hook-up.. it'll fly...... right?
wheel-driven..
I had made some flywheels for my Cox .049 engines when I had access to a CNC router machine. Their hubs have .125" (1/8")bores.. which is the correct size for the 5-40 machine-screw which fits the Cox .049 engine's crank-shaft.
The largest of the flywheels was made from 1/2" (.500") sheet PVC.. and cut to a diameter of 1.375". Material was removed (hogged-out) from the inside.. to a diameter of 1.125" and a depth of .400".
This size is the size for my trial drive-wheel..
I obviously needed a traction-element. I am trying some bicycle-tire type "inner-tube" rubber (Butyl-rubber) 26" wheel-size which I hand-cut 1/2" sections of.. to fit the width of my wheel, for "tires".
Then I cut some extra "tires" to experiment with stickier tread-compounds.. in case I had traction-issues.
If I still experience "wheel-spin" with the stickiest 1/2" width tread-compound.. I have the means to increase the traction-surface by 100%
The largest of the flywheels was made from 1/2" (.500") sheet PVC.. and cut to a diameter of 1.375". Material was removed (hogged-out) from the inside.. to a diameter of 1.125" and a depth of .400".
This size is the size for my trial drive-wheel..
I obviously needed a traction-element. I am trying some bicycle-tire type "inner-tube" rubber (Butyl-rubber) 26" wheel-size which I hand-cut 1/2" sections of.. to fit the width of my wheel, for "tires".
Then I cut some extra "tires" to experiment with stickier tread-compounds.. in case I had traction-issues.
If I still experience "wheel-spin" with the stickiest 1/2" width tread-compound.. I have the means to increase the traction-surface by 100%
Re: Cars-Stars 2019 "Rodd-E-Liminator"
Here's a 2x width version of my wheel/tire which should have been posted here.. rather than creating the "PHATT TYRE" thread..
This is an assembly of two of my 1.437" diameter flywheels oriented with their flat-sides facing each other. Note that the engines' drive-washer fits inside the inner flywheel. I'm hoping that this will help with balancing.
If the assembly spins out-of-balance.. I can try re-mounting the tire. It fits very tightly on the wheel assembly. The wheels actually have to be assembled-together (mounted to the engine) in order to mount the tire. I doubt that I'll have any issues with the tire coming off due to centrifugal-force.
I'm using a Tee Dee style aluminum spinner for a "hub".. because it works well with my elec. starter.
This is an assembly of two of my 1.437" diameter flywheels oriented with their flat-sides facing each other. Note that the engines' drive-washer fits inside the inner flywheel. I'm hoping that this will help with balancing.
If the assembly spins out-of-balance.. I can try re-mounting the tire. It fits very tightly on the wheel assembly. The wheels actually have to be assembled-together (mounted to the engine) in order to mount the tire. I doubt that I'll have any issues with the tire coming off due to centrifugal-force.
I'm using a Tee Dee style aluminum spinner for a "hub".. because it works well with my elec. starter.
Red-wheels/Phat-tire
I LIKE the idea of this double-wide (26mm) direct-drive set-up.. but it might not perform well on rough-pavement. The "tire-material" is thin/butyl-rubber.. which might run really well on a smooth-surface. A stray pebble on the circuit, could cause wheel-spin.. and subsequent model spin-out.
More paint-work/fuel-proofing needs to be done to the car-body, before I can even free-run this little gem.. but the free-run will be fun. I'll try to get a video of that.. I need to test this direct-drive configuration.. to see if the engine will continue to run after a "drop-launch".. or whether it will need a "push-start". The "latter" would require on-board ignition for a glow-engine.. but we can engineer that.. if need-be..
Re: Cars-Stars 2019 "Rodd-E-Liminator"
It's getting colored...... Can't wait to see the finished product!
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Re: Cars-Stars 2019 "Rodd-E-Liminator"
Coming right along as the clock ticks!! I got to get some work on my stuff Today !!!
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RTR.. (free-run that is..)
This is supposed to be a tether-car.. but I haven't devised a bridle set-up for it yet.. Other than that, I could try to free-run it...
I'm running oversize (ID) fuel-line using compression-fittings made from alloy tubing. It's an ongoing experiment to assess fuel-delivery from a remote "hard-tank" with only the suction from the engines' venturi.
I'm running oversize (ID) fuel-line using compression-fittings made from alloy tubing. It's an ongoing experiment to assess fuel-delivery from a remote "hard-tank" with only the suction from the engines' venturi.
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Last edited by getback on Sat May 04, 2019 5:44 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : forgot the pics DUH!!)
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Re: Cars-Stars 2019 "Rodd-E-Liminator"
I plan to and it won't bee long , need to get the other GTP Nissan repaired (parts replaced) and then it will bee off to the school about 4 miles from me I want you to get in there with that HM Rail !!
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Re: Cars-Stars 2019 "Rodd-E-Liminator"
That’s a wild design Roddie. Pretty neat!
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Re: Cars-Stars 2019 "Rodd-E-Liminator"
Cribbs74 wrote:That’s a wild design Roddie. Pretty neat!
Thanks Ron. I need to put a small piece of air-filter material between the engine and firewall. The backplate/carb doesn't have a screen in it.. and it's sure to suck-in some grit if I don't.
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Lookin Good Roddie
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Re: Cars-Stars 2019 "Rodd-E-Liminator"
akjgardner wrote:Lookin Good Roddie
Thanks much Joe! I've done a little more work to this creation.. over the last few days. There had been two concerns that definitely needed to be addressed. One being an air-filter.. because of the backplate/carb on this engine having had its' screen removed. I had previously made-up a few air-filters which consist of small squares of polyurethane filter material sold for portable (window) air-conditioners.
One square placed between the engine and firewall will help to keep grit from being sucked-in from the drive-wheel.
My second concern.. was similar. The #1 cylinder installed on this engine needed some sort of shield against grit finding its' way into that big/wide-open exhaust-port. I'd thought quite a bit on what to do.. and came up with something simple. It should definitely help. It's a strip of .008" Tin.. that fits between the case and the heatsink. It wraps around the cylinder in the critical-area where the drive-wheel is. A #2 machine-screw and nut fasten it the body above the engine.
She still has no bridle for a tether.. but I've got some ideas. The wide-stationary rear axle is for stability.. in case I want/need to free-run it. I have no idea how this vehicle will track.. with its' direct-drive configuration.
I added a cast acrylic internal hub to the drive-wheel.. because the drive-wheel assembly was pretty lightweight.. at .4oz. Adding the acrylic-hub upped the assembled fly-weight to .6oz.
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Woah! She is quite the low-rider! By the looks of it, it will either be a very quick car, or if it was me, I would put a wing on it cause it looks like it is ready for take-off... And great job on it!
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Re: Cars-Stars 2019 "Rodd-E-Liminator"
NEW222 wrote:Woah! She is quite the low-rider! By the looks of it, it will either be a very quick car, or if it was me, I would put a wing on it cause it looks like it is ready for take-off... And great job on it!
Chancey.. you're too kind bro! I appreciate the words of praise. I've never built a model-engine-powered land-vehicle.. and this one being my own (unproven) design.. well .. it might stall-out as soon as its' direct-drive wheel hits the pavement. I don't have a back-up plan for that scenario. It's a fairly lightweight vehicle.. so I'm figuring on some "wheel-spin" when I launch it. I've made provisions to add weight to the chassis; in case the traction doesn't "hook-up" after a few laps.
I'm considering a longer tether than originally planned. It will likely be approx. 20 feet long.. for a 40 foot dia. circuit.
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Friction start it.
Grab the frame, and push it until it starts and let go. It will pull the clip.
First though, fire it off static and set the needle. Then restart by pushing.
Grab the frame, and push it until it starts and let go. It will pull the clip.
First though, fire it off static and set the needle. Then restart by pushing.
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Some vintage cars in this vid at the start then tons of engines.
https://www.facebook.com/john.sitter/videos/10155472880952505/
https://www.facebook.com/john.sitter/videos/10155472880952505/
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engine/drive test
I tried running the engine last night.. and the "tire" (a section of bicycle inner-tube..) flew-off the wheel as soon as the engine-revs came on-song..
I captured a video.. but am having trouble getting the file from the camera. My cam has both; "memory-stick" and disc media. The test-run inadvertently got recorded on disc. My laptops' disc-drive doesn't work.. but it doesn't really matter. It's not worth watching.
I want to use this type of tire if possible.. so I need to "bond" the rubber to the wheel. Not sure how I'm going to accomplish that yet..
I captured a video.. but am having trouble getting the file from the camera. My cam has both; "memory-stick" and disc media. The test-run inadvertently got recorded on disc. My laptops' disc-drive doesn't work.. but it doesn't really matter. It's not worth watching.
I want to use this type of tire if possible.. so I need to "bond" the rubber to the wheel. Not sure how I'm going to accomplish that yet..
Re: Cars-Stars 2019 "Rodd-E-Liminator"
Roddie, I believe you need to use “rubber cement” to adhere the inner-tube to the wheel. Put the tube on the wheel, roll 1/2 back onto itself, coat both wheel and the tube with glue, wait the required time, then roll the tube back onto the wheel, the roll back the other side and do the same thing. Rubber cement or contact cement will stay flexible and keep the tube from flying off the wheel. My worth.
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Re: Cars-Stars 2019 "Rodd-E-Liminator"
O NO it would bee worth watching ! Just to see your reaction to the rubber leaving that wheel Anyway i am with Rene contact or rubber cement you probably have some ?
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Re: Cars-Stars 2019 "Rodd-E-Liminator"
Tether positioning is important roddie as I found out with my Roy Cox creation. It has to be right to maintain a proper circle, to little toe in and it's coming toward the pivot, to much and you scuff tires. Although much depends upon how you release it.
Probably all tied up in higher math, but I found mine through trial and error.
I would try a 15' line and work outwards.
That thing is going to need a painted on cockpit with the image of a scared to death driver.
As always you get high points for imagination.
Probably all tied up in higher math, but I found mine through trial and error.
I would try a 15' line and work outwards.
That thing is going to need a painted on cockpit with the image of a scared to death driver.
As always you get high points for imagination.
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Re: Cars-Stars 2019 "Rodd-E-Liminator"
Marleysky wrote:Roddie, I believe you need to use “rubber cement” to adhere the inner-tube to the wheel. Put the tube on the wheel, roll 1/2 back onto itself, coat both wheel and the tube with glue, wait the required time, then roll the tube back onto the wheel, the roll back the other side and do the same thing. Rubber cement or contact cement will stay flexible and keep the tube from flying off the wheel. My worth.
Hey Rene! Thank you for this suggestion! Rolling the rubber 1/2 way back on itself is something I didn't think of.. for a no-fuss method of being able to adhere the rubber to the wheel. This gives me a few options now..
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