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Cox Engine of The Month
Acceleration ring Cox Tee Dee .010
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Acceleration ring Cox Tee Dee .010
Hello friends, now I entertained myself by manufacturing an acceleration ring for the Cox Tee Dee .010.
It is composed of 4 parts, a central hub half and half, a hub or ring that embraces the central hub (the two halves) and the seeger ring ....
I think the adjustment is quite good, although I did not make the opening of gaces very large and therefore I can not significantly lower the rpm.
So I want to invite friend Brad to tell me, between what values of maximum and minimum in rpm, does his engine work ...?
This video is from Brad:
These are images of my engine:
It is composed of 4 parts, a central hub half and half, a hub or ring that embraces the central hub (the two halves) and the seeger ring ....
I think the adjustment is quite good, although I did not make the opening of gaces very large and therefore I can not significantly lower the rpm.
So I want to invite friend Brad to tell me, between what values of maximum and minimum in rpm, does his engine work ...?
This video is from Brad:
These are images of my engine:
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Re: Acceleration ring Cox Tee Dee .010
Sorry it did not work for you Mauricio! I wish it had as you did a good job.
You can grind down the footing till smooth to the cylinder to slip on a throttle
ring easy to make then. It was a great effort my friend Mauricio
As I have said in the past about the TD .010 throttle never ever match the exhaust port
window and expect it to idle. The width has to be less in order to seal enough when you
lower the idle. To look at it another way the exhaust sleeve port windows need to be less
than the gap between the two exhaust ports of the TD .010 cylinder.
In that vid 12.67k to 25.76k
3x2 prop / 51 mph / 3.2oz thrust / 21w
in this vid:
3x1.25 prop: 11,443 rpm to 28,020 rpm
You can grind down the footing till smooth to the cylinder to slip on a throttle
ring easy to make then. It was a great effort my friend Mauricio
As I have said in the past about the TD .010 throttle never ever match the exhaust port
window and expect it to idle. The width has to be less in order to seal enough when you
lower the idle. To look at it another way the exhaust sleeve port windows need to be less
than the gap between the two exhaust ports of the TD .010 cylinder.
In that vid 12.67k to 25.76k
3x2 prop / 51 mph / 3.2oz thrust / 21w
in this vid:
3x1.25 prop: 11,443 rpm to 28,020 rpm
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Re: Acceleration ring Cox Tee Dee .010
Hi Mauricio,
in a parallel topic we are just talking about an 010 exhaust throttle system...I know you prefer your own engineered/made components, but may be interested in the PET system as well:
https://www.coxengineforum.com/t12702-dual-balloon-fuel-system-for-010s#163070
in a parallel topic we are just talking about an 010 exhaust throttle system...I know you prefer your own engineered/made components, but may be interested in the PET system as well:
https://www.coxengineforum.com/t12702-dual-balloon-fuel-system-for-010s#163070
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Re: Acceleration ring Cox Tee Dee .010
balogh wrote:Hi Mauricio,
in a parallel topic we are just talking about an 010 exhaust throttle system...I know you prefer your own engineered/made components, but may be interested in the PET system as well:
https://www.coxengineforum.com/t12702-dual-balloon-fuel-system-for-010s#163070
Thank you András for your collaboration ... I am now with this challenge of doing it myself ... I was also interested in the PET system, only that when I discovered one on Ebay it was extremely expensive, maybe it's worth it, but honestly I had a very high price !
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Re: Acceleration ring Cox Tee Dee .010
Friends, there goes my first attempts ...
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Re: Acceleration ring Cox Tee Dee .010
Took me three tries to get the idle down low enough for me to be happy with it.
The fit is very important as the aluminum expands more than the cylinder when
hot. Best would be steel.
The fit is very important as the aluminum expands more than the cylinder when
hot. Best would be steel.
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Re: Acceleration ring Cox Tee Dee .010
1/2A Nut wrote:Took me three tries to get the idle down low enough for me to be happy with it.
The fit is very important as the aluminum expands more than the cylinder when
hot. Best would be steel.
Well, is there any data that says how much is the minimum and maximum in laps?
That is, what are the ideal rpm of regulation of the .010, because I do not think it can regulate below 10,000 rpm.
I would like to know the maximum and minimum PET system values to have an idea..
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Re: Acceleration ring Cox Tee Dee .010
should be able to do at least 12k idle if set up right.
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1/2A Nut wrote:should be able to do at least 12k idle if set up right.
Ok, the PET commercial system ... in what range does it work? you know?
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Re: Acceleration ring Cox Tee Dee .010
I do not know, too heavy for my taste and too many parts.
Sport planes will land with a 12k idle with the .010 engine.
Sport planes will land with a 12k idle with the .010 engine.
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Re: Acceleration ring Cox Tee Dee .010
He does not say directly how low a cox grey and black prop will go.
He compares to .049 engines he compares to a bored out venturi.
No good no answer.
Here is a vid of one running from Andras:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-t891Wqy9w
Andras Balogh
Published on Jan 21, 2018
My COX 010 engine with a Proportional Exhaust Throttle device tested under the rudimentary winter conditions of my garage.
The top speed was around 23.3k (near freezing air temperature and only 20% instead of the recommended 30% nitro in the fuel)
and the throttled speed was down around 13k though, due to the short battery in the headcam it was not recorded.
My throttle sleeve is 1/3rd the weight and better results:
Cox TD.010 with throttle sleeve
20% nitro and oil
Cox 3D x 1.25P:
Idle: 11,443 rpm (rechecked with new phone app)
Full Throttle: 28,020 rpm modified for speed
TD .020 stock throttle ring from a Pee Wee
PET design owner avoids comparing to the .020 engines
Idle with a Carbon 3x3 prop: 12.4K
Goes even lower with a stock prop.
TD .049 the PET owners information is not correct.
11.8k idle at the end of the vid.
He compares to .049 engines he compares to a bored out venturi.
No good no answer.
Here is a vid of one running from Andras:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-t891Wqy9w
Andras Balogh
Published on Jan 21, 2018
My COX 010 engine with a Proportional Exhaust Throttle device tested under the rudimentary winter conditions of my garage.
The top speed was around 23.3k (near freezing air temperature and only 20% instead of the recommended 30% nitro in the fuel)
and the throttled speed was down around 13k though, due to the short battery in the headcam it was not recorded.
My throttle sleeve is 1/3rd the weight and better results:
Cox TD.010 with throttle sleeve
20% nitro and oil
Cox 3D x 1.25P:
Idle: 11,443 rpm (rechecked with new phone app)
Full Throttle: 28,020 rpm modified for speed
TD .020 stock throttle ring from a Pee Wee
PET design owner avoids comparing to the .020 engines
Idle with a Carbon 3x3 prop: 12.4K
Goes even lower with a stock prop.
TD .049 the PET owners information is not correct.
11.8k idle at the end of the vid.
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Re: Acceleration ring Cox Tee Dee .010
Thanks Brad I did not even remember this video shot only 1 year ago.
I will repeat the test when warmer weather comes and I am not shivering in the garage
I will repeat the test when warmer weather comes and I am not shivering in the garage
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Yes please repeat the test. How cold is it now?
RPM should increase in warm weather.
RPM should increase in warm weather.
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Re: Acceleration ring Cox Tee Dee .010
Yes good fit no air leaks should improve the numbers.
How much does the engine weigh with prop spinner and throttle?
How much does the engine weigh with prop spinner and throttle?
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Re: Acceleration ring Cox Tee Dee .010
Thank you András for all this information ... this is very interesting!
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Brad, your friend's work is great!
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Re: Acceleration ring Cox Tee Dee .010
....heavy equipment....
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Re: Acceleration ring Cox Tee Dee .010
When you file it down you have to make sure the throttle ring has no play up and down.
I over cut it just a bit and carefully flat sanded it down till it fit perfect with no play.
I don't dare take it apart, the top and bottom cylinder threads have been oil sealed and
holding very good compression. I call it a "maturity seal" since over a year when I rebuilt it
with a new cylinder and new aluminum backplate. The oil in the threads thickens over time.
I fixed the slop at the thrust plate there is no gap it has a hand made thrust washer.
Here is the original photos from 2014 first efforts, note there is a Lip exposed enough to stop the cylinder
from spinning down too far on the crank case. First 3 tries the 3rd one taught me how small I needed to go.
I zoomed in on the photo and highlighted the cut outs for the throttle ring so you can see the size differences more clearly.
First effort only lowered the rpm around 4k / you can vary the cylinder up with a shim (perhaps a TD .020 head shim fits the .010 cylinder?)
I over cut it just a bit and carefully flat sanded it down till it fit perfect with no play.
I don't dare take it apart, the top and bottom cylinder threads have been oil sealed and
holding very good compression. I call it a "maturity seal" since over a year when I rebuilt it
with a new cylinder and new aluminum backplate. The oil in the threads thickens over time.
I fixed the slop at the thrust plate there is no gap it has a hand made thrust washer.
Here is the original photos from 2014 first efforts, note there is a Lip exposed enough to stop the cylinder
from spinning down too far on the crank case. First 3 tries the 3rd one taught me how small I needed to go.
I zoomed in on the photo and highlighted the cut outs for the throttle ring so you can see the size differences more clearly.
First effort only lowered the rpm around 4k / you can vary the cylinder up with a shim (perhaps a TD .020 head shim fits the .010 cylinder?)
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