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Cox Tee Dee high-compression glow head question
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Cox Tee Dee high-compression glow head question
We have sold thousands of our TD .049 HC glow heads with very few issues. However, we now have a customer who claims that, after installing our glow head, RPM dropped by 2,500, using the same fuel and propeller.
To note is that our glow heads are manufactured to Cox OEM specs, using original Cox drawings but we are also aware that Cox made different versions of combustion chambers; so far we have come across three different ones. They may make a difference in RPM, but 2,500???
To note is that our glow heads are manufactured to Cox OEM specs, using original Cox drawings but we are also aware that Cox made different versions of combustion chambers; so far we have come across three different ones. They may make a difference in RPM, but 2,500???
Re: Cox Tee Dee high-compression glow head question
If he went from standard head to high com he most likely didn't tune it by adding head shims?
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Re: Cox Tee Dee high-compression glow head question
The high compression glowheads could allow an engine to become over-compressed. Nitro, oil, mixture, load, temperature and humidity all have an effect on just how much compression a glow engine will stand before before it is overcompressed.
With too much compression for a given combination of conditions, you get mucho heat, finnicky handling and a loss of power. Short plug life too.
It's long been common to start with 3 or 4 head gaskets under an HC head, and remove them until removing another doesn't improve performance. Put the last one back in and drive'er like you stole'er.
There's always the possibility that something has gone wrong in manufacturing, or that he has a poor glow-head seal, or..or..or.. But overcompression seems most likely.
J
With too much compression for a given combination of conditions, you get mucho heat, finnicky handling and a loss of power. Short plug life too.
It's long been common to start with 3 or 4 head gaskets under an HC head, and remove them until removing another doesn't improve performance. Put the last one back in and drive'er like you stole'er.
There's always the possibility that something has gone wrong in manufacturing, or that he has a poor glow-head seal, or..or..or.. But overcompression seems most likely.
J
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Re: Cox Tee Dee high-compression glow head question
Thanks for both replies and the customer went from an OEM HC head to our HC head.
New glow plug -2,500 RPM
Yes, there does appear something definitely wrong here...but what? I have not come across this phenomena. I might hazard a guess that the replacement head
leaks. OR possibly a head gasket was "crunched" during installation (preventing a good seal). One way to check that speed fliers use is to squirt kerosene around the glow plug / fins & quickly turn the engine over. Bubbles indicate a problem.
Always difficult to diagnose over the Internet... Good luck!
Cheers, Paul
leaks. OR possibly a head gasket was "crunched" during installation (preventing a good seal). One way to check that speed fliers use is to squirt kerosene around the glow plug / fins & quickly turn the engine over. Bubbles indicate a problem.
Always difficult to diagnose over the Internet... Good luck!
Cheers, Paul
Cox International wrote:We have sold thousands of our TD .049 HC glow heads with very few issues. However, we now have a customer who claims that, after installing our glow head, RPM dropped by 2,500, using the same fuel and propeller.
To note is that our glow heads are manufactured to Cox OEM specs, using original Cox drawings but we are also aware that Cox made different versions of combustion chambers; so far we have come across three different ones. They may make a difference in RPM, but 2,500???
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Re: Cox Tee Dee high-compression glow head question
Thanks Paul and we did send suggestions to the buyer and have not heard back so far.
Re: Cox Tee Dee high-compression glow head question
Bernie, I'd forgotten you are having reproductions of the #1702 newly made. There could be possibly some difference in a batch of the platinum(plated?) elements. There are some meticulous members here who could run a comparison for you between an OEM 1702 and one of your new ones. Or a couple of new ones from different batches.
Paul had a good point too, maybe your disappointed customer could deck the facing of his plug on some 600-1000 grit paper glued to a flat glass pane... carefully and not aggressively.
Rusty
Paul had a good point too, maybe your disappointed customer could deck the facing of his plug on some 600-1000 grit paper glued to a flat glass pane... carefully and not aggressively.
Rusty
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Re: Cox Tee Dee high-compression glow head question
Yes Rusty, the filament composition has been upgraded to a better version beginning the first time we made them but we have sold 1,000's of the beasts with very little issues.
No worries, the buyer has gotten some good info and, if he is still experiencing issues, I am sure we will hear from him.
No worries, the buyer has gotten some good info and, if he is still experiencing issues, I am sure we will hear from him.
Re: Cox Tee Dee high-compression glow head question
Maybe the customer is in error. It's not always a matter of just spinning an old one off and installing a new one.
If it is an error on the customer's part then he won't be happy with an even higher compression head!
Oh well, the customer is always right! Or so i've heard.
If it is an error on the customer's part then he won't be happy with an even higher compression head!
Oh well, the customer is always right! Or so i've heard.
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Re: Cox Tee Dee high-compression glow head question
If I may ask; is the element a platinum plated tungsten coil or an alloy containing platinum? I think it varies by manufacturer, I only ask out of curiosity.
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Re: Cox Tee Dee high-compression glow head question
RknRusty wrote:If I may ask; is the element a platinum plated tungsten coil or an alloy containing platinum? I think it varies by manufacturer, I only ask out of curiosity.
90% Platinum / 10% Rhodium (Cox used 90% Platinum / 10% Ruthenium)
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