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Post  dckrsn Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:05 pm

-----"Well cool Bob! I have that mount in my toolbox and I had no idea what it was for. Now I do Thanks!"-----

Glad to help Ron.
That backplate with the fine thread valve assembly beats the pants outta the standard production ones.
If you gently press the valve body out, you can drill the opening out a little too.(got to lose the screen)
I wish there were mounts for all the postage stamp plates out there.
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The bolt/screw pattern on the adapter mount is same as on the Bee backplates---sweeeet!
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Post  nitroairplane Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:17 pm

dckrsn wrote:
nitroairplane wrote:Well could there be no way to drill mounting holes for them?

Carl Goldberg used to market a baloon bladder tank set-up complete with
a retro-fit mount for the postage stamp backplate.
Those old backplates also feature a 128tpi needle valve assembly.
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sweet!
those are cool!
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Post  microflitedude Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:42 pm

That's interesting - never seen one before.
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Post  nitroairplane Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:05 am

microflitedude wrote:That's interesting - never seen one before.

Maybe someone could reproduce some Hint hint Huh...
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Post  dckrsn Thu Nov 24, 2011 7:31 pm

nitroairplane wrote:
microflitedude wrote:That's interesting - never seen one before.

Maybe someone could reproduce some Hint hint Huh...
Finding out who actually made them for Carl Goldberg could be a lead.
The mold is probably sitting on the back of a shelf somewhere.

Maybe with a little aluminum, and some bending and drilling..........hmm.
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Post  Mark Boesen Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:12 pm

yep, its pretty easy and now you can use any size tank you want.

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Post  dckrsn Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:54 pm

Jeez Mark. I stared at that photo for
5 minutes. Now I need a cigarette. Paranoid
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Post  Cribbs74 Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:18 am

Yeah, neat mount. Looks simple to make. I could probably make one with a vice and a dremel.

My engine arrived, the only thing missing was the reed. It does have a 2 postion throttle as mentioned earlier. I may be able to modify it to allow it to function as a fully adjustable throttle. I also went ahead and used my Carl Goldberg mount and sure enough it fit perfectly to that back plate. I almost tossed that thing out as I had no use for it and had no clue what it was. Thanks to Bob I have a use for it now.
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Post  nitroairplane Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:45 pm

Mark Boesen wrote:yep, its pretty easy and now you can use any size tank you want.

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That's lovely Mark!
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Post  Jaspur_x Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:02 am

Now I have 2 more projects on my list, I really have got to stop reading the forums Shocked lol
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Post  Cribbs74 Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:59 am

Well, it runs, like a turd.....but it runs. Compression is not so hot. I have yet to figure out the throttle. Doesn't seem to make a difference no matter where I put it.
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Post  microflitedude Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:30 pm

cribbs74 wrote:Well, it runs, like a turd.....but it runs. Compression is not so hot. I have yet to figure out the throttle. Doesn't seem to make a difference no matter where I put it.

Sounds like you cylinder is shot. Loss of compression, and the outer area could be worn, allowing too much exhaust to escape around the throttle ring.

Or the throttle ring could be the culprit along with the piston and/or the glowhead.
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Post  nitroairplane Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:32 pm

microflitedude wrote:
cribbs74 wrote:Well, it runs, like a turd.....but it runs. Compression is not so hot. I have yet to figure out the throttle. Doesn't seem to make a difference no matter where I put it.

Sounds like you cylinder is shot. Loss of compression, and the outer area could be worn, allowing too much exhaust to escape around the throttle ring.

Or the throttle ring could be the culprit along with the piston and/or the glowhead.

or maybe its you fuel Huh...
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Post  microflitedude Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:35 pm

nitroairplane wrote:
microflitedude wrote:
cribbs74 wrote:Well, it runs, like a turd.....but it runs. Compression is not so hot. I have yet to figure out the throttle. Doesn't seem to make a difference no matter where I put it.

Sounds like you cylinder is shot. Loss of compression, and the outer area could be worn, allowing too much exhaust to escape around the throttle ring.

Or the throttle ring could be the culprit along with the piston and/or the glowhead.

or maybe its you fuel Huh...

I do not think fuel would prevent the throttle action or take away compression.
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Post  Cribbs74 Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:43 pm

You know, the compression came right back after it cooled down. If I flip the prop through the compression stroke it swings around and smacks my finger. The throttle sleeve is a loose fit like you mentioned. Not sure if that is normal for compression.

The fuel is questionable Nitro as it was my old stuff with a little new mixed in. I ran your .020 with the same stuff and it screamed for 20 minutes or so.
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Post  nitroairplane Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:08 pm

cribbs74 wrote:You know, the compression came right back after it cooled down. If I flip the prop through the compression stroke it swings around and smacks my finger. The throttle sleeve is a loose fit like you mentioned. Not sure if that is normal for compression.

The fuel is questionable Nitro as it was my old stuff with a little new mixed in. I ran your .020 with the same stuff and it screamed for 20 minutes or so.

That means it is worn and when it gets hot the cylinder expands and loses compression and when it cools down it is fin.
You will need a new piston and cylinder.
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Post  Cribbs74 Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:18 pm

Well guys,

I took a second look and I do have some "fizzing" around the piston when I slowly cycle it through per Mud's suggestion so I suppose the piston is a little worn. I think the real reason it ran so crappy is because of excessive drag on the prop from the spring starter, so much so that it wore deep grooves into the blades. Nearly wore clean through them. I guess the spring starter is not supposed to touch the prop while running......stupid, stupid, stupid. Could have lost an eye! Lesson learned there. I readjusted the tang so it clears the "new" prop. I will try it again and post back. Most of my engines are tee dee's with no spring starters. My pee wee's have them and they clear the props easily in the resting position. Never even questioned why it was rubbing on this .049.
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Post  Cribbs74 Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:38 am

Got it running, it's no screamer prob due to the compression but, it runs reasonably well. The spring starter was the main culprit as it was causing excessive drag. I will post a pic of the prop damage when I have time.
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