1959 Berkeley Impulse Single Channel Pylon Racer Build

Cribbs74 wrote:Nice George! What does the kit call for power wise? .049?

Plans showed a Fox .09 Rocket engine. It is a side port engine like the Gilbert .074 and .11 Thunderheads, with venturi off the cylinder back. The piston forms the porting valve for intake control. It had the power of a .049 engine. Per Peter Chinn, around 0.11 HP at around 14,000 RPM. Props were 6x3, 6x4, and 7x3. These are the same props for the Thunder Tiger GP-07 that I am using, but it develops 0.19 HP at 18,000 RPM, favors the 6" props. From what I gather, the Cox .074 Queen Bee has roughly about the same power as the GP-07, too.

Gilbert .11 overtop plan:


Fox .09 Rocket engine (downloaded this picture from somewhere sometime back, if yours please let me know and I'll credit you):


Fox .09 Rocket had an integral tank at the back of the engine. The Berkeley plan shows no other engine. Although one is free to install whatever engine would work, which for this size of plane could be a .049 to a .10, nothing else is shown on the plans.

I will add a 3/16" thick ply spacer sanded to give about 2 degrees right thrust and radial mount the GP-07 to the engine bulkhead.

Got the right wing built and stabilizer planked.



To keep this lightweight due to the lower power of the GP-07, am going to use Litespan / Coverite Coverlite heat shrink and Balsarite to stick it on.

Looking good George. I think the .07 will easily outpower the Fox .09 and the Gilbert.

Not to change the subject, but how is the S-1 coming along? I hope it will be done by July.

Ron

Cribbs74 wrote:Looking good George. I think the .07 will easily outpower the Fox .09 and the Gilbert.

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Ron. The GP-07 fits in the engine compartment better than the other choices I have (Enya 09-III TV, A.C. Gilbert .11 Thunderhead, Fuji 099S-II RC, Cox 047 Queen Bee, etc.).

Not to change the subject, but how is the S-1 coming along? I hope it will be done by July. Ron

S-1 is completed except for fuel proof clear coating. I'm waiting for a break in the weather (warmer with not wind) so I can spray it. I do want to fly it before March is out.

I like the idea of the Enya. Power is really good, but it's a bit heavy. Although with that big tail it may work quite well.

Here is a engine test of the Enya .09 III

http://sceptreflight.net/Model%20Engine%20Tests/Enya%2009-III%20CL%20&%2009-III%20RC.html

Cribbs74 wrote:I like the idea of the Enya. Power is really good, but it's a bit heavy. Although with that big tail it may work quite well. Here is a engine test of the Enya .09 III http://sceptreflight.net/Model%20Engine%20Tests/Enya%2009-III%20CL%20&%2009-III%20RC.html

I've seen that test report, Ron. I am totally impressed on how well the Enya .09 flies, it's power is just as good as the .09 and .10 sport Schneurles. It likes the lower mass wood props. With a 7x6 Top Flite wood, it really moves out, adds spirit to any mild .049 plane. Torque is in the lower RPM band, around 12,000, so there is no advantage to running smaller props than 7x4. Its cousin, the .09-IV is a tad more powerful, but the III holds it's own.

Another plane I've got with the same proportions is the 1962 Airco Aero Star.



It is an odd swept high wing cain model with same wing area and tail moment. I may build that one as rudder and engine control. It would be a candidate for the slightly hotter Enya .15-III TV that I have.

I was impressed with the amount of nitro it can handle. Parts are probably scarce so I would go over 15-20%

Ron

I've been using 22% nitro fuel with it, and it runs just fine with a legacy Tatone .09-.19 Peace Pipe muffler. (Those Peace Pipes do fine as long as one stays with the smallest or less than that stated sizes. Am using the .29-.40 Peace Pipe on an Enya .19-VI TV.) I think one could get by on even 5% nitro with these Enyas. I like them because they are powerful, will spin larger or greater pitched props easily.

I found that the Enya .15-III TV with throttle wired open with 8x6 prop put out as much thrust as my OS Max .15FP-S with 8x4 prop. They have a lot of torque in the lower than Schneurle RPM band.

Regarding parts, Enya is still in business. Not sure but I think the current .09-IV version sleeve and piston might work in the III. The muffler works. The .09-III is odd in that the exhaust is on the left side of the engine. It's one reason why I installed one upside down in my OK Models Pilot Cessna 177 semi-scale.

A couple days ago I received a gift from Dane Martin, CL flier and friend, a 1966 OS Max 10R/C cross scavenge engine with 702 muffler. This muffler is as rare as hen's teeth.


I was lacking a suitable powerplant for this 1959 Berkeley Impulse single channel pylon racer / trainer build. Fuselage sides engine cheek cowls were too closely spaced to fit the A.C. Gilbert 11 Thunderhead side port, which would be in the same class as the 1950's Fox 09 Rocket side port shown on the plans, ditto for using an Enya 09-III TV. Didn't have a needle set screw for the Thunder Tiger GP-07 to extend it beyond the cheek cowl. Cox 074 Queen Bee stuck out almost 2 inches beyond due to engine's extra length. My other OS Max 10R/C's have only the variable exhaust restrictor baffle ganged to the carb, which cheek cowl interfered with. This gift engine fits perfectly. On a 7x5 wood prop ought to haul this 46 inch span model with reasonable authority. I am making a few other mods to it to make it fly better on full house.


This engine looks like it was made for it. With a very ample muffler chamber volume, should have little loss in power. IMO so well engineered are OS mufflers that Peter Chinn mentioned that the earlier muffler, which is slightly smaller in volume basically caused a negligible decrease in power.
I'm stoked!

Originally I was going to use the A.C. Gilbert .11 Thunderhead since it is in the same power class as the McCoy .098 "9" and the Fox .09 Rocket shown on the Impulse plans. However, the die cut parts came in narrower than plan when I assembled it, neither the .11 nor Enya .09-III TV would fit the narrow space between cheek cowls. The OS Max .10R/C is a tight squeeze, but doesn't allow enough room for engine thrust line adjustments.

Then I decided on using my Cox .074 Queen Bee R/C. I bought NOS Grish Tornado (Plastikote?) wood 7x2 props for this engine for use on this aircraft.


The Impulse is aerodynamically relatively draggy and Cox .074 with optimal 6x3 prop did have much of disk past the fuselage. (Remember, this plane is fairly large with a 46" (1170mm) wingspan. Imagine that they would call this plane suitable for single channel pylon racing. Fun fly racing yes, competition racing, err, no. ) Plane needs all the power it can get from the .074 and as such wouldn't be worth attempting with a 7x3 or 7x4 prop and loss of power. I thought the 7x2 might be the right ticket.

However, I landed a Medallion .09 R/C at a very reasonable price on E-Bay and it is narrower, fits with room to spare.


Caveat was the short mixture needle that did not clear the cheek cowl and I didn't want to modify the needle. Recently I saw on Cox International that the Sure Start long needle valve could be used on the Medallion. I pulled the one off a spare Sure Start, lo and behold, this longer needle valve does fit the Medallion's spray bar perfectly, plus it clears the cheek cowl.


Now that my engine problem is resolved, I can resume completing my Impulse.

Looking very nice George, I like the looks of that airplane.

Heck Yea looking forward to hearing about some flight time , its amazing how time flies when you're having fun !

I haven't forgotten my build, interestingly enough, Outerzone now has the plan on file.

Outerzone: Plan# oz9327 Berkeley 46in Impulse by Bill Johnke 1959

Photos of it by BillA:




BillA's Red Finn .06 twin diesel engine.

It's been a while since I last worked on this aircraft. Revisiting it, I now think the best engine for it is the Cox .074 Queen Bee. It is 4 ounces and slender enough to fit the narrow cowling that was designed for the Fox .09 Rocket side port engine. Interestingly enough, it has about the same BHP as the Fox. To put the wind past the somewhat less than streamlined fuselage, I have a dozen 1950's - 1960's Grish Plastikote wooden props in the now hard to find 7x2 size. It was said that the optimal prop for the QB was a standard 6x3. The narrower pitch and greater diameter should be a good pulling prop for the QB. With the Impulse's shorter nose, the heavier engine will be a plus.


The Fox Rocket was said to have 0.11 BHP. One review of the QB said it had 1.0 BHP. If I use a light covering and finish light, with smaller servos should keep weight down. It's fuselage is cavernous enough to have carried the tube super-regenerative receivers and tube (valve) plate voltage batteries of the day (45 to 67.5 Volts), plus tube heater batteries (1.5 V) and escapement batteries (3 - 6 V).

For now, I've decided against the muffled Cox .09 Medallion R/C. It is very light weight, which in this case would require ballast to make it work.

With narrow kick up elevator of the day, it will be a mild flier overall. (However just like in motorcycles, "The worst flight is better than the best day of work.")

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I bey you knew that Yabby would rise to that bait! :lol.

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Yabby

Yabby wrote:

GG wrote:With narrow kick up elevator of the day, it will be a mild flier overall. (However just like in motorcycles, "The worst flight is better than the best day of work.")

I bey you knew that Yabby would rise to that bait! :lol.

“The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar; now that’s my idea of a good time.” — Frank Zappa

Except I stink best with my saxophones and midi keyboard.

Cool old plane George, And neat photo of it with the engines in the background…. I can only imagine the coordination it would take to steer it around pylons with only a 1 ch escapement …. Looks like it’s designed pretty sturdy so should hold up well in that breeze we’re familiar with

rdw777 wrote:Cool old plane George, And neat photo of it with the engines in the background…. I can only imagine the coordination it would take to steer it around pylons with only a 1 ch escapement …. Looks like it’s designed pretty sturdy so should hold up well in that breeze we’re familiar with

Robert, thanks, I can see how they could do single channel pylon. Back in the early 1970's I found that flying on windier days up to 15 MPH, I shimmed the rear trailing edge on my Pee Wee powered rudder only Top Flite R/C Schoolboy 3/32" to reduce its decalage. (Shimming varied with wind velocity.) Then, it didn't climb as much, but it could penetrate the wind. It would climb slower, I'd maintain an altitude of say, 75 feet max. With proper trimming, one could do pylon.

You control your altitude by turns. Varying the radius of the turn determines your altitude. Nose drops less and loses altitude less in wider turns, more in sharper. To kill the porpoising after a turn, hit opposite rudder briefly.

With generous experience by thorough practice, one could do pylon on rudder only. However I must admit, with an escapement system, especially if compound using kick up elevator, one was tapping that single momentary transmitter push switch as fast as a teen typing out a text message on their cell.