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Post  RknRusty Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:00 pm

I know, it's a little late for pictures. And it still gets a racing number and a Blue Oyster Cult logo on the tail, but here she is. Balances right at the front leadout, am I lucky or what!
AUW 4.6oz.

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Post  Cribbs74 Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:09 pm

4.6oz?

What did you use foam?  Very Happy 

Plane looks good
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Post  roddie Tue Apr 15, 2014 11:37 pm

Coool Rusty! I like the nose design. If you or Mark B. had built "Dago Red".. we could have had a period-correct shoot-out!!!

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Post  RknRusty Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:10 am

Cribbs74 wrote:4.6oz?

What did you use foam?  Very Happy 

Plane looks good
Actually the plan was for a foamboard fuse, but when I weighed it, it was the same as balsa... before stiffening. So I used medium grade balsa, the same as you'd use with any fuselage. I didn't take any special precautions. The wing is a Sig airfoil, pretty stiff stuff. I'm worried that if there is any wind, and there will be, it'll be too light. The engine is my 2013 Tach Racer with a new Texas Timers NV. A cox 5x4 prop for starters, I don't have anything special in that department.

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Post  JPvelo Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:21 pm

RknRusty wrote:I'm worried that if there is any wind, and there will be, it'll be too light.
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Post  roddie Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:54 pm

JPvelo wrote:
RknRusty wrote:I'm worried that if there is any wind, and there will be, it'll be too light.
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If anyone needs an extension due to weather pm me. Don't break your airplane in order to make a deadline that can be moved.

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I PM'd Jim a few days ago with regard to how our New England weather has been. CRAZY!! This past weekend was beautiful.. such that on Saturday; my wife and I felt compelled to start cleaning up the yard of Winter debris.. Sunday was 72 and I decided to prematurely open the pool. Monday the weather started to turn.. rain with wind gusts all day between 30-35 mph. The gas grill cover that had stayed secure all Winter; blew off... leaves got in the pool and clogged the skimmer.. more branches on the lawn.. and this morning, 1/2" of snow/ice.. and temps in the 30's... typical weather extremes for April in this region. You get teased.. then spanked.  Shocked 
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Post  getback Wed Apr 16, 2014 5:00 pm

Looks Good Rusty I like yellow and that really brings the black into perspective , Nice and Jim ,Thanks, I am with Rusty I am going now to clear the field for 42 ft. lines , wind not bad now but not ready tomm. 9 mph.??  Babe Bee .049 Off to mow  Very Happy spanking  lol! lol! 
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Post  RknRusty Wed Apr 16, 2014 5:58 pm

Oops! Really. A serious head slapper.
I just realized that in my ridiculous haste, I've built positive incidence into the stabilizer. Probably 2 or 3 degrees. I hope I don't have to do my official with it rolling on the ground for the whole flight. Rolling Eyes 
Is there any rule that it has to actually leave the ground? lol!

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Post  getback Wed Apr 16, 2014 8:20 pm

basackwards ??  lol!  I am glad I am not aerodynamic if it looks right fly it !!,,,if not change it to fly right Smoking Popcorn Man after all that mowing and jumping the mower off I am ready   speed - CEF speed contest Design Discussions - Page 35 Wp_20200Well that don't look like much but it WAS Cold Very Happy I should have about 50ft. clearance Getback......
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Post  RknRusty Wed Apr 16, 2014 8:25 pm

Damn dude, you got a control line field in your yard! Every boy's dream.

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Post  RknRusty Thu Apr 17, 2014 12:39 pm

Test run. 18.8k with a 5x4 prop, yet to be cut down. I cut the stab out and re-set it with zero incidence. I feel better now. The old Tach Race engine runs great!

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Post  JPvelo Thu Apr 17, 2014 3:10 pm

RknRusty wrote:Test run. 18.8k with a 5x4 prop, yet to be cut down. I cut the stab out and re-set it with zero incidence. I feel better now. The old Tach Race engine runs great!

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It does my heart good to see another reedie with a bladder. lol! 

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Post  RknRusty Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:36 pm

JPvelo wrote:It does my heart good to see another reedie with a bladder. lol! 

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I walked across the street and staked my 42' handle in center circle, walked it around, and have plenty of room. The tree trimmers did a good job. The camera, plane and equipment are parked in my back yard, just waiting for the wind to die with the sinking Sun. Launch will take place in the next 45 minutes or thereabouts.
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Post  RknRusty Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:25 pm

Scrub.

Choir practice. EDIT: DUH! Easter activities. That explains it. I forgive them.

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Post  getback Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:27 pm

lol! Man I blew that up to see what you had in your left hand and almost // report this as offensive/adult content.............Sorry I cant stop having a good time  lol! (still don't know) what's in the bag ? I know I am just asking for it so go head........ Very Happy 
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Post  crankbndr Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:27 pm

Nice photo, your on a mission from God!
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Post  RknRusty Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:43 pm

The video camera is in my hand. In the bag are three propellers, fuel, syringe, handle and lines, glow igniter, stooge line, rags, etc. It's all still in the bag. I'm po'd, nothing ever goes on at that church after kindergarten lets out at 6:00. Choir practice. I'd have given them a sour note for sure if I cranked up that Cox. It was blue sky and 5 mph wind.

Tomorrow's forecast could definitely be a go: 60% precip/10 mph. I'll be ready.
If it's a total scrub even through a possible extension, I'll fly it anyway and post a video for entertainment, and fly sooner next year.
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Post  roddie Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:56 pm

RknRusty wrote:Scrub.

Choir practice.

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Post  Cribbs74 Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:46 pm

Don't worry Rusty,

I have made 3 attempts at getting airborne. Each one a dismal failure!

Last night winds were perfect and once again I did a nose over. This time I cracked the fuse lengthwise from the mount all the way to the bellcrank.

Something is very wrong with my plane. I am far away from home so that is compounding the problem. I have spread out my gear as my release guy said the engine torque is pulling the plane over and I plan on moving the gear forward a little bit more. I have no doubt it will fly once it gets off the ground. I have busted 3 props so I am running out.

I will re-attack Sunday. I have already spoken with Jim.

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Post  OVERLORD Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:11 am

I tried to get mine in the air the day before yesterday in my neighbour's garden. It was quite a failure. Scale  landing gear and 1/2A don't go together well. As soon as the tail lifted, the prop touched the ground. There can be 2 reasons for that:

1. The landing gear is too low. Before, I held the plane in a for me horizontal position and it seemed to be OK. Probably, my impression of "horizontal position" does not match reality.
2. As with Ron's plane, the nose goes down. Then the landing gear is too far back.

As an emergency, I replaced the wheels and fixed 60mm diamater doped cardboard wheels to get a bigger ground clearance. I also fixed a M6 nut on the tail. I hope the CG is still OK. On the grass, I laid out wooden planks for approx. 3m. I think this might not be enough in length. How far a distance such a model usually rolls before taking off?

I'll try again today.

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Post  rat9000 Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:44 am

cribbs.did you see ebay, 13 or 14 props,topflight,tornado,cox, with TD.rat
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Post  RknRusty Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:09 am

I just checked the weather. If I can be on my feet by 3:00 I think I can beat the rain moving up the Eastern Seaboard. The Kindergarteners won't mind if they're inside. The winds will be about 11, but that's workable if the rolloff from the buildings will let me keep it close enough to the ground. Determined to go. I'm thinking mine will jump up pretty quickly. It's balanced, wheels are forward and it's a featherweight.
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Post  Cribbs74 Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:41 am

rat9000 wrote:cribbs.did you see ebay, 13 or 14 props,topflight,tornado,cox, with TD.rat

Thanks for the tip. I have a stupid amount of props at home, just not many here. I wish I had brought more, but I rarely break props these days. I should be ok once I figure out why my plane is being obtuse.

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Post  navion34 Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:01 am

Lieven, my Polecat Racer runs about 2 meters before take off. I hold my handle in an up position.

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Post  JPvelo Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:09 am

Lieven,
This is how I launched from a board. You'll notice the far end is lifted up about 6" to act as a ramp. Think of it as an aircraft carrier!

If you still have no luck go ahead and hand launch.

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