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Cox Engine of The Month
Another E-Bay Misrepresentation
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Re: Another E-Bay Misrepresentation
cribbs74 wrote:Yep, near the end they used whatever. I'll take a pic of the .051 tonight.
Ron
I think through out being in business, they used whatever was at hand. Going back to my PT-19 I had when I was a kid, that engine had a no-drag brass drive plate. I posted it on here and everyone thought that it couldn't be that way from Cox. I have since seen two other PT-19s that have a no-drag brass drive plate. One I own now which was identical to one I had when I was a kid. The other Jeremy's Uncle Randy has in his basement, which is the Blue and Yellow version, unlike my racing PT-19 from the 80s.
This being said, it's hard to say for certain that an engine is not original... in some cases.
Re: Another E-Bay Misrepresentation
The TD RC .05 was apparently only produced for a run of 2000. If this is a TD RC .05 with a gold anodized drive plate, like I think you guys are hinting at, it's the first one I have seen. I think that is a .051 with a TD RC .05 carb on it missing the "needle valve" like discussed ealier. The piston on my TD RC .05 has a groove near the bottom around the entire circumference of the piston. Does the TD.051 have this same feature on it's piston? Maybe that might distinguish between the two engines being discussed...Just a thought!!
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Re: Another E-Bay Misrepresentation
• Well looking at the twisty tie, it has been out of the box. Once out of the box, or sometimes in the box, things can be swapped out and changed.
• Who's to say this guy liked the look of a brass driveplate over a silver one?
• Can someone home-build a RC05, yes, is this one... who knows.
• Is a home-built one worth less if it's built with the correct parts?
To make a point:
There are more 1957 Chevys with 283 V-8s with mechanical fuel injections out there now, then actually left the assembly line. So if it is home-built with correct parts, is it worth less? From what I have seen on the hot rod side, no it's not, as items could be put on by the dealer. The Chevy 283 came out in 1957, but in very few rare cases, there are a few 1956 Chevys with factory 283s.
Did I mention my screen name use to be CLSSY56
• Who's to say this guy liked the look of a brass driveplate over a silver one?
• Can someone home-build a RC05, yes, is this one... who knows.
• Is a home-built one worth less if it's built with the correct parts?
To make a point:
There are more 1957 Chevys with 283 V-8s with mechanical fuel injections out there now, then actually left the assembly line. So if it is home-built with correct parts, is it worth less? From what I have seen on the hot rod side, no it's not, as items could be put on by the dealer. The Chevy 283 came out in 1957, but in very few rare cases, there are a few 1956 Chevys with factory 283s.
Did I mention my screen name use to be CLSSY56
Re: Another E-Bay Misrepresentation
Is this RC05 correct per the books, no.
Could some grandkid have lost the needle somewhere down the road while playing with it and it was never found?
I could go on and on with the "what ifs".
As for my Dragonfly, it looks correct except for the missing starter spring. Could the owner not like starter springs? Could the owner swap out the case for a black case?
Could some grandkid have lost the needle somewhere down the road while playing with it and it was never found?
I could go on and on with the "what ifs".
As for my Dragonfly, it looks correct except for the missing starter spring. Could the owner not like starter springs? Could the owner swap out the case for a black case?
Re: Another E-Bay Misrepresentation
Does the Tee Dee .051 have a groove around the lower circumference of the piston?
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Re: Another E-Bay Misrepresentation
This is without doubt a geniune RC05.
It has the "tab/rib" and the correct driveplate. The driveplate is unique to the RC05 - it is a different size to the standard TD driveplate - the RC05 also came fitted with a thrust washer.
However, although this may not be completely original /- missing needle, easily replaced - head, easily changed - driveplate, very difficult (it is slightly bigger than standard) /- the box is irreplaceable.#
The gold adonising can be easily removed and the driveplate polished. With this and the above changes you would not be having this conversation.
Cox definitely produced the tabbed/ribbed carb body, I have one new in its packet and unopened.
I find it difficult to assimilate the emotion generated by a sale like this. The RC05 is one of two (the RC09) that would probably be welcomed by Clubs in the UK because it has a silencer/muffler and keeps within the permitted sound levels. So what if it isn't perfect. If you have nothng to compare it to - how would you know that it wasn't genuine?
If I wanted an RC engine of this size and antiquity, $100 -$120 does not seem unreasonable. A new PAW 049 RC with silencer is at least $150.
All TD 051s have the groove in the piston.
It has the "tab/rib" and the correct driveplate. The driveplate is unique to the RC05 - it is a different size to the standard TD driveplate - the RC05 also came fitted with a thrust washer.
However, although this may not be completely original /- missing needle, easily replaced - head, easily changed - driveplate, very difficult (it is slightly bigger than standard) /- the box is irreplaceable.#
The gold adonising can be easily removed and the driveplate polished. With this and the above changes you would not be having this conversation.
Cox definitely produced the tabbed/ribbed carb body, I have one new in its packet and unopened.
I find it difficult to assimilate the emotion generated by a sale like this. The RC05 is one of two (the RC09) that would probably be welcomed by Clubs in the UK because it has a silencer/muffler and keeps within the permitted sound levels. So what if it isn't perfect. If you have nothng to compare it to - how would you know that it wasn't genuine?
If I wanted an RC engine of this size and antiquity, $100 -$120 does not seem unreasonable. A new PAW 049 RC with silencer is at least $150.
All TD 051s have the groove in the piston.
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Re: Another E-Bay Misrepresentation
This is a conversation that is about mis-representation ( if the seller is aware) on E-Bay and to educate viewers visiting this very unique forum for advise when looking to purchase such rare motors manufactured by Cox, nothing else. If your finding it difficult to absorb or assimilate such emotion regarding mis representation as to the ad in question, then your wallet has obviously not been on the receieving end of such a deal. Regardless of emotion, which I obviously have, I will continue to point out such mis-representations on E-Bay to try help the poor guy buying these engines so he then has a better idea as to the level to place his Bid. Just trying help Ian!!
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Re: Another E-Bay Misrepresentation
Yes, but we can not say wether it's correct or not, except from the point that it doesn't look like others seen. That doesn't mean that it didn't come from Cox that way... which was the point I was trying to make. It has enough parts to be correct, who can say if it is or is not?
What if you buy it, find a silver driveplate and buy a needle valve.. then would it be.. as you say correct. Would it not be real? Would that be a restoration or loosing a part of history?
What if you buy it, find a silver driveplate and buy a needle valve.. then would it be.. as you say correct. Would it not be real? Would that be a restoration or loosing a part of history?
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