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Weapons hysteria now upon us
SuperDave Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:08 am
Just watched NRA's Wayne LaPierre on NBC Morrning News.
Generally those who oppose weapons are so desperate for solutions they'll grasp at anything like drowning persons for bouyancy.
H.L. Menhken had it right:
"For every complex problem there is a solution that is quick, simple and wrong."
Generally those who oppose weapons are so desperate for solutions they'll grasp at anything like drowning persons for bouyancy.
H.L. Menhken had it right:
"For every complex problem there is a solution that is quick, simple and wrong."
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Re: Weapons hysteria now upon us
duke.johnson Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:27 am
I feel so bad for those families. But it's not the gun. I can set a gun on the table, loaded for a 100 years and it will not ever go off by itself. The fork I eat with doesn't make me fat, I do. I just heard a well known person on the radio a minute ago saying, "the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun". I think we all need to take a real look inside to find the right answer. Maybe a look at movies and games, but a real look at crazy people. No sane person would do something so evil. And they can use many other ways to hurt people. Please don't take this as anger, everyone has the right to their opinion and this is mine. I'm deeply effected by this troubling event. I don't believe that anyone (even someone who how wants guns banned) would have stood by with a gun and let this guy kill those little kids.
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SuperDave Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:52 am
Duke:
Emotion and reality don't often coincide.
Armed guards, properly trained and evaluated, may not be such a bad idea until better solutions are developed; a band-aid if you will. There are many Newtown "copy cats" out there waiting to "pounce" upon the innocent. Threats against schools are now in epidemic proportions.
Our country is now plagued with multiple crises: weapons, the "fiscal cliff", Syria.........
What is clearly indicated is need for action at the national level.
President Obama has placed VP Biden to head a group to formulate an action plan by the end of January. The group consists of cabinet members and studied and recognized experts. I feat that politics and not principles will once again prevail.
This is a time very much similar to those following 9/11 the difference being the "enemy" is among us.
May God help us.
Emotion and reality don't often coincide.
Armed guards, properly trained and evaluated, may not be such a bad idea until better solutions are developed; a band-aid if you will. There are many Newtown "copy cats" out there waiting to "pounce" upon the innocent. Threats against schools are now in epidemic proportions.
Our country is now plagued with multiple crises: weapons, the "fiscal cliff", Syria.........
What is clearly indicated is need for action at the national level.
President Obama has placed VP Biden to head a group to formulate an action plan by the end of January. The group consists of cabinet members and studied and recognized experts. I feat that politics and not principles will once again prevail.
This is a time very much similar to those following 9/11 the difference being the "enemy" is among us.
May God help us.
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Re: Weapons hysteria now upon us
mitchg95 Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:01 pm
duke.johnson wrote:I feel so bad for those families. But it's not the gun. I can set a gun on the table, loaded for a 100 years and it will not ever go off by itself. The fork I eat with doesn't make me fat, I do. I just heard a well known person on the radio a minute ago saying, "the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun". I think we all need to take a real look inside to find the right answer. Maybe a look at movies and games, but a real look at crazy people. No sane person would do something so evil. And they can use many other ways to hurt people. Please don't take this as anger, everyone has the right to their opinion and this is mine. I'm deeply effected by this troubling event. I don't believe that anyone (even someone who how wants guns banned) would have stood by with a gun and let this guy kill those little kids.
i agree 100% with Duke
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Re: Weapons hysteria now upon us
SuperDave Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:13 pm
Legally a weapons owner would be remiss acting as a self-appointed vigilante protecting the lives of others children or not.
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Re: Weapons hysteria now upon us
andrew Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:38 pm
Gun control works only for those willing to obey the gun control laws. Many of the cities in this nation with the most stringent gun control laws have some of the highest rates of gun related crime.
If you believe that gun control laws will be effective, then look at the drug control laws --- my observation is that the drug laws have not served as much of a deterrent to drug usage.
If you believe that gun control laws will be effective, then look at the drug control laws --- my observation is that the drug laws have not served as much of a deterrent to drug usage.
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SuperDave Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:03 pm
Rather than enforce deterent laws states like Washington and Colorado have given up and legalized the recreational use of marijuana on the supposition that fees assessed for the production, distribution and use of marijuana will generate funds to fight violent crimes.
Hmmmmm.........................
What the NEXT drug to be legalized on that supposition?
Hmmmmm.........................
What the NEXT drug to be legalized on that supposition?
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duke.johnson Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:55 pm
I believe they were to designate the revenue from the marijuana for healthcare and substance-abuse prevention and education. Ironic to sell drugs to get money to treat healthcare problems and substance abuse. And we just voted Washington State out of the liquor business and then voted them into the "Drug Store" business. What a screwed up world we live in.
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andrew Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:13 pm
duke.johnson wrote:And we just voted Washington State out of the liquor business and then voted them into the "Drug Store" business.
How so?? Apparently, I've been under a rock too long.
We did vote the town I live in wet this year. I've been here almost 38 years and bought my first case of beer locally just a few weeks ago.
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SuperDave Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:45 am
Andrew:
Washington State voted to privatize alchol sales recently. Formorely alchol sales were through a state-run monoply. Booze may now be purchased at grocery stores and other privately-owned outlets much as in most of the other states.
Shoplifting of alchol is now a major problem. Argueably less-expensive sales are far more accessable than before ergo the bigger the problem..
Our state most recently approved the legal use of marijuana "for recreational purposes" claiming legal sales would generate income to address "violent crimes" irreglardless of the expense of doing so. The state Liquor Control Board is responsible to compose and enforce a yet to be written policy.
Meanwhile, marijuana remains contrary to federal law which still holds "mary jane" illegal. "Tokers" are now joyously "toking" and publically demonstrating their new-found "freedom".
Throw in the emotional debate over firearms now going on.
The country now undergoing SEVER emotional trauma such as I've never knowm in my 75 years. As a child I lived through WWII and later "The Cold War" while here at home we tried to deal with them rationally.
That's not happening now as raw emotion rather than solid reasoning have taken "center stage".
Washington State voted to privatize alchol sales recently. Formorely alchol sales were through a state-run monoply. Booze may now be purchased at grocery stores and other privately-owned outlets much as in most of the other states.
Shoplifting of alchol is now a major problem. Argueably less-expensive sales are far more accessable than before ergo the bigger the problem..
Our state most recently approved the legal use of marijuana "for recreational purposes" claiming legal sales would generate income to address "violent crimes" irreglardless of the expense of doing so. The state Liquor Control Board is responsible to compose and enforce a yet to be written policy.
Meanwhile, marijuana remains contrary to federal law which still holds "mary jane" illegal. "Tokers" are now joyously "toking" and publically demonstrating their new-found "freedom".
Throw in the emotional debate over firearms now going on.
The country now undergoing SEVER emotional trauma such as I've never knowm in my 75 years. As a child I lived through WWII and later "The Cold War" while here at home we tried to deal with them rationally.
That's not happening now as raw emotion rather than solid reasoning have taken "center stage".
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John Goddard Sat Dec 22, 2012 11:07 am
Guys
There are 2 country's not unlike your own, both culturally and historically (they even speak the same language) which don't allow their citizens to roam the range armed to the teeth.
Guess what?
No school (or any other) shootings.
The answer is obvious if you just ask the right question and avoid all the extraneous nonsense that seems to
get circulated at these times.
The rest of the world just shakes it's collective head when it hears of armed guards in kindergartens.
There are 2 country's not unlike your own, both culturally and historically (they even speak the same language) which don't allow their citizens to roam the range armed to the teeth.
Guess what?
No school (or any other) shootings.
The answer is obvious if you just ask the right question and avoid all the extraneous nonsense that seems to
get circulated at these times.
The rest of the world just shakes it's collective head when it hears of armed guards in kindergartens.
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SuperDave Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:18 pm
JB:
Until such time as more acceptable solutions evolve, what's wrong with trained and armed guards in schools?
As a teacher I never considered "packing" or even wearing bullet-proof vest. That's the job of trained security personnel to protect my students and school staffs.
I lived through WWII and The Cold War eras. "Different times, different solutions" you say?
Not really JB. I remain calm because of my ability to overcome emotionally driven fear. My training as SCUBA diver taugh me how to react to emergencies disspationately and calmly. Otherwise you're dead. My military training olny reinforced that message.
Norway has the among most stringent weapons regulations in the world. Did that stop mass-slaughter in Norway recently? Again the sickness lies much deeper that the weapon which is but a symptom rather than the cause.
The weapons hysteria here has driven people more toword weapons possession rather than away from weapons. The numbers of "concelled carry" permit applications has drastically risen and those are only the "good guys" rather than the "thugs" who don't give a damn.
Scared people do scary things.
Until such time as more acceptable solutions evolve, what's wrong with trained and armed guards in schools?
As a teacher I never considered "packing" or even wearing bullet-proof vest. That's the job of trained security personnel to protect my students and school staffs.
I lived through WWII and The Cold War eras. "Different times, different solutions" you say?
Not really JB. I remain calm because of my ability to overcome emotionally driven fear. My training as SCUBA diver taugh me how to react to emergencies disspationately and calmly. Otherwise you're dead. My military training olny reinforced that message.
Norway has the among most stringent weapons regulations in the world. Did that stop mass-slaughter in Norway recently? Again the sickness lies much deeper that the weapon which is but a symptom rather than the cause.
The weapons hysteria here has driven people more toword weapons possession rather than away from weapons. The numbers of "concelled carry" permit applications has drastically risen and those are only the "good guys" rather than the "thugs" who don't give a damn.
Scared people do scary things.
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ian1954 Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:04 pm
John Goddard wrote:Guys
There are 2 country's not unlike your own, both culturally and historically (they even speak the same language) which don't allow their citizens to roam the range armed to the teeth.
Guess what?
No school (or any other) shootings.
The answer is obvious if you just ask the right question and avoid all the extraneous nonsense that seems to
get circulated at these times.
The rest of the world just shakes it's collective head when it hears of armed guards in kindergartens.
I hope the two countries you were thinking of were not the UK and Canada.
There have been 11 school shootings in Canada and don't forget Dunblane in the UK. 16 children killed and one teacher.
There have been changes in the UK to school protection over the years. When I was at school they were open. No fences and no locked gates. Now they nearly all have high fences and security.
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SuperDave Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:20 pm
And Johny Boy, please tell us what happened when your "bobbies" we disarmed (temporarilly).
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John Goddard Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:59 pm
The old bill have never been armed over here Dave.
Dunblane was 17 years ago Ian, before the disarming of the citizenry and what prompted it.
The other I referred to was Australia.
Someone much smarter than all of us (a Mr Einstein) once said something along the lines of
Don't keep doing the same thing(s) and expect a different outcome.
The answer is easy but perhaps not popular with everyone.
Dunblane was 17 years ago Ian, before the disarming of the citizenry and what prompted it.
The other I referred to was Australia.
Someone much smarter than all of us (a Mr Einstein) once said something along the lines of
Don't keep doing the same thing(s) and expect a different outcome.
The answer is easy but perhaps not popular with everyone.
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SuperDave Sat Dec 22, 2012 2:23 pm
JB:
Old Bill's have most certainly been armed with nightsticks and batons if not firearms.
As American H.L. Menhken once said:
"For every complex problem there is a quick, easy and wrong solution." (deja' vu)
As we in the US grasp for answers I fear the quick and easy part of the equation appealing as it may sound.
Old Bill's have most certainly been armed with nightsticks and batons if not firearms.
As American H.L. Menhken once said:
"For every complex problem there is a quick, easy and wrong solution." (deja' vu)
As we in the US grasp for answers I fear the quick and easy part of the equation appealing as it may sound.
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ian1954 Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:42 pm
John Goddard wrote:The old bill have never been armed over here Dave.
Dunblane was 17 years ago Ian, before the disarming of the citizenry and what prompted it.
The other I referred to was Australia.
Someone much smarter than all of us (a Mr Einstein) once said something along the lines of
Don't keep doing the same thing(s) and expect a different outcome.
The answer is easy but perhaps not popular with everyone.
Do Universities count as schools?
The Monash University shooting. This was a shooting in which a student shot his classmates and teacher, killing two and injuring five. It took place at Monash University in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, on October 21, 2002
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SuperDave Sat Dec 22, 2012 6:24 pm
JB:
If firearm-equipped "air marshalls" are on commerical flights why not similar in schools and universities?
In the events of 9/11 airliners themselves were used as weapons to the destruction of many innocent people.
If firearm-equipped "air marshalls" are on commerical flights why not similar in schools and universities?
In the events of 9/11 airliners themselves were used as weapons to the destruction of many innocent people.
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