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Post  SuperDave Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:37 pm

the orifice drilled for a pressure fitting must be neither too small or too large. Both variations can cause "needleing" problems depending on the engine.

Drill with that in mind. Start small then determine how well the engine "needles". Enlarge incrementally until the engine runs to your satisfaction.
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Post  anm2 Fri May 03, 2013 8:57 pm

Thanks for sharing this letter. The information it contained is excellent. I had thought they moved to the twin slit exhaust before 1979.


Paulgibeault wrote:BTW, to answer the initial question. Yes, All Cox pistons can be used in ALL Cox cylinders. BUT.... how well they perform is the question. My take...you never REALLY know until you run them. As this letter states, too tight fitting & too loose fitting always runs / starts poorly, but there is a lot "in the middle" worth trying out...

Dale Kirns 2nd letter to Paul dated 9 Dec 93:

Dear Paul - You have put together a very informative article - esp. on the engine & fuel areas. I added a little note on the last page about the importance of castor oil. I never use less than 10% castor oil in my fuels.
In 1979 cox made a major change in the cylinder & piston sizes (except for the Tee Dee series).
1. Cylinder:
a) went to 2-slit exhaust to prevent a fire from starting from over priming
b) eliminated free port on 2-slit exhausts.
c) "loosened" tolerances on I.D. hone

2. Piston:
a) finish grind - no longer has a "taper" at the top.
b) "loosened" tolerance on O.D. of piston

Unfortunately, the Black Widow has both of the "loosened" tolerances in all engines. If both are on the "right" end (cyl I.D. on the small and piston O.D. on the high) you can have a fairly good engine. But the other way - very loose fit/poor compression/ hard restarts/ poorer performance. In defense of Cox doing these changes it was because the bulk of their engines went to "first time users" who didn't know anything about a 1/2A engine. "Rich" and "Lean" was a term they did not understand. So, by fitting the piston/cylinder on the "loose side" - and leaning the engine to max power (when new) it was less likely to stick.
Apparently, it cut down on a "few" returns, but mainly it cut manufacturing costs. Seems that is always the bottom line.
Good luck on this venture, Your off to a good start.
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Post  Mark Boesen Fri May 03, 2013 11:02 pm

[quote="anm2"]Thanks for sharing this letter. The information it contained is excellent. I had thought they moved to the twin slit exhaust before 1979.


According to Sitter, he claims the dual slit exhaust was intro'd on February 27th, 1978, probably from notes and documents he obtained from Mr. Kirn. It's also likely Dale was writing from memory and was not quoting exact dates.
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Post  anm2 Sat May 04, 2013 7:55 am

I recently purchased Dale Kirn modified .049. Got it in the mail yesterday. Very nice engine. It appears to have a beefed up crankshaft, but when I looked in the crankcase, the backend looked normal. I don't want to remove the crankshaft to check it out. The front end was machined and an extended prop driver was added. It has what appears to be a fine adjustable needle valve that looks like it would not float. Also, has a Tee Dee Piston and cylinder, with amazing compression. I am guessing it dates back to about 1970, but I can't be sure. I had read somewhere that he had sold his company sometime in the early/mid 70s. Do you know anything about his company? Thanks, Andy

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anm2 wrote:Thanks for sharing this letter. The information it contained is excellent. I had thought they moved to the twin slit exhaust before 1979.


According to Sitter, he claims the dual slit exhaust was intro'd on February 27th, 1978, probably from notes and documents he obtained from Mr. Kirn. It's also likely Dale was writing from memory and was not quoting exact dates.
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Post  crankbndr Sat May 04, 2013 9:35 am

I looked those engines over on eBay, they look like they had the large journal crank and case used on cars. I could not tell if the prop drive plate was the tapered kind or pressed on.
I was kinda wondering about the drive plate myself.
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Post  anm2 Sat May 04, 2013 10:30 am

You are right. I am holding it now, and it is indeed a car crank case. I have several but it never occurred to me that he converted one. I guess that would make for a very strong airplane crankshaft. That's a pretty neat idea. Overall, I am pleased with the purchase, and am interested to see how it runs. It has one of the old star shaped reed valves so I might swap that out. Not sure yet. I am going to take some pictures of it later. The drive plate is beefy. Very nice setup. I guess Dale Kirn new his business!

crankbndr wrote:I looked those engines over on eBay, they look like they had the large journal crank and case used on cars. I could not tell if the prop drive plate was the tapered kind or pressed on.
I was kinda wondering about the drive plate myself.
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