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Dragonfly Build Thread
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Dragonfly Build Thread
I've been looking around for a new project, and was sent this plan by a friend in the US.
It's a model from 1974, published in Model Builder magazine, called the Dragonfly and, as you can see, is VERY different!
The design was based on the old "Stick" rubber powered models, the aim was to produce a model which could fly at a VERY low speed, be completely stable, and ideal as both a trainer and fun flyer. The original model was powered by an OK Cub .049, this would not be unusual were it not for the fact that the model's wingspan is 72" yes, 6 feet!
It would do ground takeoffs on the Cub with rudder-only control, but later versions had a variety of engines culminating in the OS Max 10.
The version shown on the plan is the OS version, with three function control, it is reputed to climb like a lift on the OS, but throttled-back was capable of stable, controllable flight at 5 mph.
It's not the prettiest model I've ever seen, but I think it's my kind of model, especially for my proposed aerial video project
It's a model from 1974, published in Model Builder magazine, called the Dragonfly and, as you can see, is VERY different!
The design was based on the old "Stick" rubber powered models, the aim was to produce a model which could fly at a VERY low speed, be completely stable, and ideal as both a trainer and fun flyer. The original model was powered by an OK Cub .049, this would not be unusual were it not for the fact that the model's wingspan is 72" yes, 6 feet!
It would do ground takeoffs on the Cub with rudder-only control, but later versions had a variety of engines culminating in the OS Max 10.
The version shown on the plan is the OS version, with three function control, it is reputed to climb like a lift on the OS, but throttled-back was capable of stable, controllable flight at 5 mph.
It's not the prettiest model I've ever seen, but I think it's my kind of model, especially for my proposed aerial video project
Last edited by Ivanhoe on Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:12 am; edited 2 times in total
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Re: Dragonfly Build Thread
Well, it's a start! Smallest piece first, this is a BIG model!
Next stage is the fuselage, which is 48" long and has 1/16" ply skinning, meaning that I have had to splice the sides, since I do not have 48" long ply sheets.
More photos as build progresses.
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What engine do you think you will use? I actually like the way it looks. I love the big wing.
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If I were to try learning RC, I think I'd like to try one of those types first. I'd certainly write my contact info on it.
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Re: Dragonfly Build Thread
Godsey3.0 wrote:What engine do you think you will use? I actually like the way it looks. I love the big wing.
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Another reason for building it, I have an OS Max 10 R/C doing nothing at the moment!
I do intend to actually try flying it with a Babe Bee at some point, just to see if an .049 can sensibly fly something this big!
Yes, it's one of those models that is so ugly it's attractive!
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Well, the Gentle Lady has a wing around that size. It can take a pod or an engine on the nose. The instructions show a Bee type engine on the nose and a Tee Dee on the pod.
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Re: Dragonfly Build Thread
Ivanhoe wrote:
I do intend to actually try flying it with a Babe Bee at some point, just to see if an .049 can sensibly fly something this big!
We have, I think, due to improvements in power/weight ratios and ultra-lightweight radio systems, gotten away from the time when models actually flew and now simply use our planes to steer the engine around.
That being said, here's a candidate for some laid back R/E putzing around. While designed for freeflight competition, this plane could be easily modified by widening the fuselage slightly, dropping the pop-up stab and adding an elevator and moving the fin and rudder to the top side. With a couple of 5g to 9g servos, a 3g Orange RX and NiMH battery pack, you could have a nice floater
Edit: After re-reading the original post, I didn't mean to hijack Wilf's thread. I expect his project will be a real floater and will fly with an .049, albeit slowly as designed.
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andrew wrote:
Edit: After re-reading the original post, I didn't mean to hijack Wilf's thread. I expect his project will be a real floater and will fly with an .049, albeit slowly as designed.
No problem, Andrew, there are a lot of F/F competition power models flying around with "Radio assist" see the thread on here on the "Timer's Nightmare" for one. Most people use the origional short engine run, then use the R/C to keep the glide within bounds. A lot of 1930s/40s "Vintage" F/F models make superb R/C conversions.
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Fuselage is progressing, first time I've ever built a fuselage that is almost entirely 1/16" ply! The 24" ruler will give you an idea just how big this thing is!
Engine & mounting, I had to enlarge the nose area slightly to accomodate the commercial motor mount, the original model had a mount made from bent brass which I did not fancy fabricating.
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wow looks great Wilf
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A little more progress made, I now have the tail unit almost completed
I still have to hinge the elevators, they are the two-piece, joined-with-a-piece-of-wire type which I really hate! I always end up with one side out of line with the other, I had to keep tweeking them for about 5 minutes before I got them them lined up properly!
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I found a video of a modern built Dragonfly in flight.
This one is powered by a PAW .09 diesel, and seems to fly quite fast on that engine, although it certainly seems very stable at low speed
This one is powered by a PAW .09 diesel, and seems to fly quite fast on that engine, although it certainly seems very stable at low speed
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Fuselage is progressing, first time I've ever built a fuselage that is almost entirely 1/16" ply! The 24" ruler will give you an idea just how big this thing is!
Engine & mounting, I had to enlarge the nose area slightly to accomodate the commercial motor mount, the original model had a mount made from bent brass which I did not fancy fabricating.
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Wow, that's the biggest Cox .049 I have ever seen. LOL. I agree with the build thread idea. it may help some of us who need pointers here and there.
and how many gallons per mile does that engine get?? happydad
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It's only an OS Max .10, not a .35! if I had a throttled Cox .09 I would have used that!
At some point I shall attempt a flight with a Babe Bee or a Black Widow up front, just to see if what they claim is true, namely that it will take off on an .049!
At some point I shall attempt a flight with a Babe Bee or a Black Widow up front, just to see if what they claim is true, namely that it will take off on an .049!
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Looking good Wilf.
I'm sure it'll ROG from a nice tarmac'd runway like in the Vid.
I'm sure it'll ROG from a nice tarmac'd runway like in the Vid.
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Re: Dragonfly Build Thread
A little more progress on the build
I covered and finished the tail unit to see how my colour scheme would work. I do not like modern tissues, this is Japanese tissue and it has no wet strength at all, even the paste I use to fix the tissue was causing it to separate, I wish they still made Modelspan!
Access hatches, I've made them big enough to allow me to get at everything for adjustments and tweeks.
Now, a question for you knowledgable folks. I'm using flexible pushrods (snakes) for the controls, I've never used these before and I'd be grateful for advice from anyone who has, the ones I have are the type with a plastic (nylon?) inner, these were shipped to me wound in a coil, they now have what seems to be a permanent bend,
any ideas how I straighten them? I tried hot water, but that didn't work. Second, how much support should I give them through the fuselage? My idea was to hot-glue them to the fuselage sides about every couple of inches, will this be enough?
I covered and finished the tail unit to see how my colour scheme would work. I do not like modern tissues, this is Japanese tissue and it has no wet strength at all, even the paste I use to fix the tissue was causing it to separate, I wish they still made Modelspan!
Access hatches, I've made them big enough to allow me to get at everything for adjustments and tweeks.
Now, a question for you knowledgable folks. I'm using flexible pushrods (snakes) for the controls, I've never used these before and I'd be grateful for advice from anyone who has, the ones I have are the type with a plastic (nylon?) inner, these were shipped to me wound in a coil, they now have what seems to be a permanent bend,
any ideas how I straighten them? I tried hot water, but that didn't work. Second, how much support should I give them through the fuselage? My idea was to hot-glue them to the fuselage sides about every couple of inches, will this be enough?
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Ivanhoe wrote:A little more progress on the build
.........I do not like modern tissues, this is Japanese tissue and it has no wet strength at all, even the paste I use to fix the tissue was causing it to separate, I wish they still made Modelspan!
Any ideas how I straighten them? I tried hot water, but that didn't work. Second, how much support should I give them through the fuselage? My idea was to hot-glue them to the fuselage sides about every couple of inches, will this be enough?
Look up polyspan (http://www.faimodelsupply.com/starline-polyspan.htm) or litespan (https://www.a2zcorp.us/store/Category.asp?Category=BuildingMaterials%3ACovering). Both are very light and have more strength than Japanese tissue. Polyspan must be painted; litespan may be purchased pre-colored.
Separate the inner and outer tubes and pin them to a board in a reverse arc, then hit them with a heat gun --- do not overheat --- and let them take set.
For support, make sure the ends of the outer tube are well secured; secure the middle portion only enough to keep it from whipping around; every 4 or 5 inches should be sufficient.
You've got the makings of super looking model!!!
andrew
Last edited by andrew on Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:56 pm; edited 2 times in total
re: nylon tubes
andrew wrote:Ivanhoe wrote:A little more progress on the build
.........I do not like modern tissues, this is Japanese tissue and it has no wet strength at all, even the paste I use to fix the tissue was causing it to separate, I wish they still made Modelspan!
Any ideas how I straighten them? I tried hot water, but that didn't work. Second, how much support should I give them through the fuselage? My idea was to hot-glue them to the fuselage sides about every couple of inches, will this be enough?
Look up polyspan (http://www.faimodelsupply.com/starline-polyspan.htm) or litespan (https://www.a2zcorp.us/store/Category.asp?Category=BuildingMaterials%3ACovering). Both are very light and have more strength than Japanese tissue. Polyspan must be colored; litespan may be purchased pre-colored.
Separate the inner and outer tubes and pin them to a board in a reverse arc, then hit them with a heat gun --- do not overheat --- and let them take set. Make sure the ends of the outer tube are well secured; secure the middle portion only enough to keep it from whipping around; every 4 or 5 inches should be sufficient.
You've got the makings of super looking model!!!
andrew
I think andrews comments are inline with my experience with the plastic tubes, nylon and otherwise. just be careful with the heatgun as andrew suggested. happydad
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Thanks Andrew, I'll give that a try
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Kinda late to the party, I have to say that is the longest fuselage I have ever seen for .049 power. With that much ply planking I assume the wing must be gigantic to keep it aloft.
As always Wilf the building looks top notch. I hope to be able to build like you one day. Good Show! I hope it flies as goos as it looks.
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As always Wilf the building looks top notch. I hope to be able to build like you one day. Good Show! I hope it flies as goos as it looks.
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I've now started the wing construction
Because of the undercamber of the airfoil I've had to build the upper surface of the wing, complete with spars etc. then take the wing off the bench and turn it over to fit the lower spars
I just hope I don't manage to build any warps in.
Each wingtip has 1/4" of washout built in, to help prevent tip stalling in turns because of the wide span, so I had to make sure I remembered to put the packing in!
I've also bent up the cabane struts, this was the one job on this model I was NOT looking forward to. I only have a very basic bending tool, and these have to be accurately made to make sure the wing sits square and that the wing incidence is correct. As it turned out, everything went better than I expected, my only error being that the height of the struts is about 1/8" more than it should be, luckily both struts are oversize by the same amount (more by luck than judgement!) so it shouldn't make any difference to the model's flight. I was VERY glad to get these done!
I have both wings to finish, then I'll get the cabane struts mounted on the fuselage and see if everything lines up. I still have to bend the undercarriage, but that's a simple job, providing I can find a supplier who will send me a couple of lengths of 10swg piano wire without wanting an arm, a leg, and a section of body for shipping!
Because of the undercamber of the airfoil I've had to build the upper surface of the wing, complete with spars etc. then take the wing off the bench and turn it over to fit the lower spars
I just hope I don't manage to build any warps in.
Each wingtip has 1/4" of washout built in, to help prevent tip stalling in turns because of the wide span, so I had to make sure I remembered to put the packing in!
I've also bent up the cabane struts, this was the one job on this model I was NOT looking forward to. I only have a very basic bending tool, and these have to be accurately made to make sure the wing sits square and that the wing incidence is correct. As it turned out, everything went better than I expected, my only error being that the height of the struts is about 1/8" more than it should be, luckily both struts are oversize by the same amount (more by luck than judgement!) so it shouldn't make any difference to the model's flight. I was VERY glad to get these done!
I have both wings to finish, then I'll get the cabane struts mounted on the fuselage and see if everything lines up. I still have to bend the undercarriage, but that's a simple job, providing I can find a supplier who will send me a couple of lengths of 10swg piano wire without wanting an arm, a leg, and a section of body for shipping!
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Dragonfly
You'll love the plane. I saw another yesterday
http://www.thebuildingboard.com/search/label/Dragonfly
http://www.thebuildingboard.com/search/label/Dragonfly
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RyanNX211 wrote:You'll love the plane. I saw another yesterday
http://www.thebuildingboard.com/search/label/Dragonfly
Yes, I found this a while ago, if you look earlier in this thread you'll see the video I borrowed from here!
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Thanks for sharing it!
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A little more progress made.......
I think I may mount the camera here.....
Unless I find that I don't get decent coverage, in which case I'll need to think again.
I think I may mount the camera here.....
Unless I find that I don't get decent coverage, in which case I'll need to think again.
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