Flying lines and length

Your question can not be successfully answered without many factors your left out. First, why are you trying to fly on lines that long in which these planes were not designed to fly on? What plane are you flying on that length? What does it weigh? What exact engine is in the plane? What propeller are you using? If speed is the issue, going out on longer lines could possibly cause a wreck. There's too much drag on that amount of additional line and weight of the lines themselves if your flying Cox ready to fly models. So even if it does fly, it won't get up to the proper flying speed which means that the outboard wing tip could possibly be tip high with the inboard flying low. This is usually a immediate recipe for a crash.

The APC 6x2 is a horrid prop for flying Cox powered planes, it might just suit your needs as it will do nothing more than beat air. You could also take your propeller and turn it around backwards which would be a simple test. This makes the propeller very inefficient. The plane will have little to no drive but it will get it airborne. It will put the rpm's up very high but the plane won't fly fast. Cox also made a 6x2 which is not a tractor prop and uses reverse pitch to assist in torque to the outboard tip. It offers very low drive as well which would keep the speed down. Keep in mind though that when the rpm's go up, the fuel economy goes down.

Ken makes good points. Forget half A. Find a balsa biplane .25 - .35 powered and fly that on 52' lines. Lot's of drag and slow with lots of lift. Once your into it again, graduate up to the speed stuff.

Amazing.  Thanks Roddie for all that good information.  Very helpful
 The 15 lb dyneema braid , for 1/2a planes , what is the advantage of using this line over the Cox supplied line ?   Is it lighter , less sag ?

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52' lines. To me that is amusing. We used to fly our 1/2A airplanes on 8' lines, just because we flew in my cousin's front yard and it was REALLY small. Not much stunting possible with those short lines. We were able to make"sabre dance" airplanes with cardboard wings and meccano parts (with the engine mount bent outwards and upwards) that would come to a stop mid air and then resume flight with down elevator input. So long ago.....

I don't believe it's possible to discover any difference between Spider wire or Dacron. 1/2A planes don't offer enough pull to differentiate one from the other. Phil Cartier of Corehouse is mainly responsible for the use of this type of line offering his tested inputs to the AMA. So the reason it's used it because one the Spider wire and other types are sold in bulk and colors allowing one to see it on the ground such as hi vis yellow. Many of us on the east coast documented line breaks, types of knots, stretch tests, break tests, etc. All this information was gathered and sent to the AMA. It was rejected time and time again.The main reason we wanted to use this style of line is because it's not harmed when walked on when the planes are confined in the pit area. The other real main reason is that when we fly combat and you get into a line tangle, the steel lines get curly Q'd and kinked. Therefore, your pissing away a set of lines every time this happens which begins to get quite expensive.


The submission for use in stunt was denied over and over again even though the combat guys were using them extensively for years. Finally, the hardheads caved in and authorized them for sport use. Even today, those that participate in contest flying can't use Spectra/Spiderwire for contest use unless approved by the CD. Therefore, one is flying at his or hers own risk. The use of these lines are approved for sport use only. The gray area is where it states in the AMA guidelines that as long as the equipment passes the required pull test it's a go.

All of this is meaningless to the everyday flyer. However, one isn't going to gain any greater performance using one over the other in flying standard Cox equipment. The Dacron eventually becomes oil soaked creating stickiness and substantial drag in the lines and Spectra/Spiderwire eventually does the same. If you want to improve actual feel and responsiveness, flying with .008" stainless lines can't be beat. However, if you even kink this style line, wrap it onto the reel and cause the slightest kink in it, it will break eventually. I personally fly with .012" on all my 1/2A Cox and Norvel equipment. The durability of .012 vs .008 is amazingly superior not too mention, one can hardly tell the difference between the two.