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Post  John Goddard Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:28 am

Well you're right about the higher recipricating speed placing greater load on components which is why
we used HT rod bolts as well and years earlier on the 250 x7 Suzuki and LC Yahamha's I raced (2 strokes) as well..

But I'd say the fact that Cox made a tool to combat this when the vast majority of their engines
didn't crack 20k must mean there was a performance loss which wouldn't be explained by a piston
staying where it's suposed to be.

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Post  Surfer_kris Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:10 am

When I started flying with cox engines we never used any piston reset tools and that worked just fine. To me the reset tool is mainly for engines running at high rpms. So yes, there is a market for a tool but I think the need for it is less than what has been advocated on this site. That's the idea I wanted to express here. For a typical sports application there is little need for frequent piston resets, don't fix it if it isn't broken...
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Post  Cribbs74 Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:00 am

Surfer_kris wrote:Sounds like you are comparing a four-stroke with a two-stroke engine. When you turn a cox engine over TDC and it has compression you will not hear any click as the rod is constantly under compression.

Here is a picture of the wear the rod can make in the piston (there is no flat spot, just a wear on the piston);

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I am comparing the two as they both rotate 360 degrees. True loads and stresses may differ but, esentially they are the same.

What I was trying to point out is that rod knock in a 4 cycle is a product of wear on the bearing surface as is ball wear in our little Cox engines.

That picture looks to be a well used piston. Keep in mind it is possible for the rod ball to wear evenly and still wear through the piston as long as the socket was reset throughout the life of the piston. If the socket was never reset I bet the ball would look a lot different once it broke through the crown.

At any rate none of this matters much anyway. I was just suggesting a theory as to why the SPI gap decreases after a reset.

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Post  RknRusty Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:19 am

microflitedude wrote:
John Goddard wrote:I might be wrong Matt but I think Joe was after it all connected up.
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I put the set on an engine, and got it exactly at TDC. The removed it and took the picture.

That is an SPI piston from Bernie.
That's why it's such a huge gap. The short SPI pistons with the old type SPI cylinders combine to make an excessively large gap. SPI used to be created by lowering the bottom of the exhaust port, like a #1 BW. The newer SPI is created by the short piston skirt. The combination makes what I would think is too much, like double SPI. So, how does it run like that? Is it hard to start? Hard to needle?
Even though I shortened my BW piston, it's still taller than an SPI piston.

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Post  microflitedude Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:30 am

RknRusty wrote:
microflitedude wrote:
John Goddard wrote:I might be wrong Matt but I think Joe was after it all connected up.
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I put the set on an engine, and got it exactly at TDC. The removed it and took the picture.

That is an SPI piston from Bernie.
That's why it's such a huge gap. The short SPI pistons with the old type SPI cylinders combine to make an excessively large gap. SPI used to be created by lowering the bottom of the exhaust port, like a #1 BW. The newer SPI is created by the short piston skirt. The combination makes what I would think is too much, like double SPI. So, how does it run like that? Is it hard to start? Hard to needle?
Even though I shortened my BW piston, it's still taller than an SPI piston.


I have not run the combo yet.
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Post  Godsey3.0 Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:11 pm

I test ran that Babe Bee as a Diesel today and it works AWESOME! It is technically my first successful Cox Diesel. I had one before, but the Pylinder was worn out and it had to be started with a Norvel Starter that likes to take the prop off. The engine ran like crap and I had to have the comp WAY up to get it to run.

The Bee ran real nice. It puts out a lot of air with a 6x3. I will get the Texaco 8x4 and see what it does. I know that is over propping it but I am curious and would like to try it. I apparently was running it rich today because when it died it really took off. I am not real experienced in diesels. But hopefully this will help. The first two times I ran it and the last time I got it in three flips. The middle times I had taken it apart to move the bowl around because of a leak.
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Post  microflitedude Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:51 pm

What kind of crankshaft are you using?
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Post  Cox International Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:59 pm

I do not recommend using our "Black Widow" or "Tee Dee" cylinders with our shortened pistons as tests have shown this to be "too much SPI", resulting in decreased RPM.

The shortened pistons are only intended to be run in this configuration:

http://coxengines.ca/cox-.049-sub-induction-cylinder-piston-spi.html

If you want SPI with an open-port cylinder, this is the one:

http://coxengines.ca/cox-.049-tee-dee-cylinder-and-piston.html

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Post  Godsey3.0 Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:19 pm

I am using the Killer Bee Crankshaft. The Cylinder is a #2.
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