NFFS 051 pistons

John Goddard Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:45 am

Any of you hero's bought one of the above from the fleebay gent who claims to be punting them out?
Cool

**Cribbs74** Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:13 am

John Goddard wrote:Any of you hero's bought one of the above from the fleebay gent who claims to be punting them out?

No, sure haven't John. Not sure how they could be NFFS. .051 pistons are .051 pistons. So even if they were made for NFFS they would fit any .051. So therfore nothing special.

WingingIt74 Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:46 am

gotta love "buzz" words....

John Goddard Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:04 am

Ah my understanding was they were different perhaps lighter and with 2 'rings'.
Yet another Johnnie 'Doh!'....
Embarassed

Cox International Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:51 pm

NFFS pistons were different and, yes, the seller is selling genuine ones. Whether they are worth what he wants for them is open to interpretion.

Reggie, Matt and I purchased almost all of his stock; which consisted mainly of factory seconds and R&D items. Some of it we scrapped because it did not pass quality control.

The sellers name is Tom Suica and his relationship with us three has always been "storied" but recently went to "troubled".

Part of the agreement was that all his stock be sold to us (lastly to Matt) and the price paid reflected a complete stock depletion (aside a small # of items that he wanted way too much for) to compensate for "non-compete".

It is a bit dischanting for us to now see him offering product he purportedly all sold to us (he held pack a portion). Besides copying titles and/or listing details from Matt's and our listings, listings such as this one:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/260953137777?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

should give people a good indication of his character. The long derogatory link (if copied and pasted into a browser) defaults to one of our listings for same product on eBay.

Our venturi gaskets are not made in China and we don't sell bootleg products, period.

I can never understand why some sellers have to resort to below-the-belt tactics as, in the long run, they only harm themselves as buyers can usually see through all this dung.

WingingIt74 Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:02 pm

You should turn that into eBay, that's not right.

nitroairplane Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:03 pm

Never did get back to us on this.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1591834

**Cribbs74** Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:04 pm

Cox International wrote:NFFS pistons were different and, yes, the seller is selling genuine ones. Whether they are worth what he wants for them is open to interpretion.

Reggie, Matt and I purchased almost all of his stock; which consisted mainly of factory seconds and R&D items. Some of it we scrapped because it did not pass quality control.

The sellers name is Tom Suica and his relationship with us three has always been "storied" but recently went to "troubled".

Part of the agreement was that all his stock be sold to us (lastly to Matt) and the price paid reflected a complete stock depletion (aside a small # of items that he wanted way too much for) to compensate for "non-compete".

It is a bit dischanting for us to now see him offering product he purportedly all sold to us (he held pack a portion). Besides copying titles and/or listing details from Matt's and our listings, listings such as this one:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/260953137777?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

should give people a good indication of his character. The long derogatory link (if copied and pasted into a browser) defaults to one of our listings for same product on eBay.

Our venturi gaskets are not made in China and we don't sell bootleg products, period.

I can never understand why some sellers have to resort to below-the-belt tactics as, in the long run, they only harm themselves as buyers can usually see through all this dung.

Good to know Bernie. Care to enlighten us as to how they are different?

**Admin** Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:04 pm

Cox International wrote:

It is a bit dischanting for us to now see him offering product he purportedly all sold to us (he held pack a portion). Besides copying titles and/or listing details from Matt's and our listings, listings such as this one:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/260953137777?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

should give people a good indication of his character. The long derogatory link (if copied and pasted into a browser) defaults to one of our listings for same product on eBay.

Our venturi gaskets are not made in China and we don't sell bootleg products, period.

I can never understand why some sellers have to resort to below-the-belt tactics as, in the long run, they only harm themselves as buyers can usually see through all this dung.

Isn't there something you can do about that? Send eBay a report, he is using tactics that are dirty and not true and I do believe it is against their rules to use another sellers listing to boost their own sales and lower the rep of the other seller.

**Cribbs74** Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:05 pm

John Goddard wrote:Ah my understanding was they were different perhaps lighter and with 2 'rings'.
Yet another Johnnie 'Doh!'....

I could be wrong, I am no expert. Bernie says they are so let's see what he says.

Cox International Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:48 pm

nitroairplane wrote:Never did get back to us on this.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1591834

Should give people even more insight as to his personality What?

Cox International Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:59 pm

Isn't there something you can do about that? Send eBay a report, he is using tactics that are dirty and not true and I do believe it is against their rules to use another sellers listing to boost their own sales and lower the rep of the other seller.

Nah, just let the statement stand. Matt and we have a stellar reputation in the world and the ones that have dealt with us know that we (and Matt) offer quality products and superior customer service.

His negative connotations are hurting no one but him. I have been tracking his Cox sales and his tactics are simply not working for him.

I especially adore his "Cox Domestic"; a jab at our name - hilarious.

Oh, and then he ran over 20 identical auction for fuel tank screws starting at 1 cent. Three sets sold at one cent and the others received no bids before the auctions ended. Pretty interesting that no one is buying "genuine" screws for one cent but paying us $1.95 for the bootlegged version.

He provides for good entertainment lol!

nitroairplane Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:02 pm

lol Bernie!
Cox domestic just puts me off, I know I can get engines to my door from you as you are international.
Indra

EXModelEngines Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:44 pm

Yes, Tom is quite the character. As Bernie mentioned I had an agreement with him to purchase all of the remaining R&D stock he had left. Some of it was good, other stuff was for the scrap heap. That was understood going in and part of the deal.

After being assured in late 2009 he would never sell another Cox part (since he had supposedly sold all left to me) I was contacted a few months ago to buy the 'remaining stock'.

Needless to say I do not deal with him anymore lol!

Matt

Cox International Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:50 pm

cribbs74 wrote:
John Goddard wrote:Ah my understanding was they were different perhaps lighter and with 2 'rings'.
Yet another Johnnie 'Doh!'....

I could be wrong, I am no expert. Bernie says they are so let's see what he says.

Hm,

I looked at my documentaion and now I am usure if what I am saying is correct or not.

I will ask the person that commissioned the 051 Medallion and perhaps Matt knows the answer?

Here is the text from the flyer that was included with the engines:

At Last!!
The long-awaited special run of Cox Medallion .051 engines are here. This engine is special and distinct from other engines in the Cox line and is NOT simply the Killer Bee .051 piston and cylinder on a Medallion case. They are different in the same manner that the (NOS legal, slit exhaust) .049 Medallions are different from the Killer Bee’s:
• the Killer Bee has a lighter weight, tapered piston
• the Killer Bee has a tapered cylinder similar to the Tee Dee
• the Killer Bee has sub-piston induction similar to the Tee Dee
• The Medallion .051 has the familiar ID groove at the piston skirt

The engines came without serialization, however each has been numbered so that a record exists indicating who ordered each engine. Engines were numbered in the order pulled from the pallet and shipped in order of the postmarked date of the order wherever possible. The delays were numerous, and with Cox being taken over by Estes, it looked as if the original agreement would not be met…we can be thankful these were produced at all – we received 258 of 300 engines ordered and at a higher price than initially agreed. There were not enough parts available to produce 300 .049’s…so what they had were produced as these special order .051’s. There will probably never be more new Medallions.

engine049 Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:01 pm

Cox International wrote:NFFS pistons were different and, yes, the seller is selling genuine ones. Whether they are worth what he wants for them is open to interpretion.

Reggie, Matt and I purchased almost all of his stock; which consisted mainly of factory seconds and R&D items. Some of it we scrapped because it did not pass quality control.

The sellers name is Tom Suica and his relationship with us three has always been "storied" but recently went to "troubled".

Part of the agreement was that all his stock be sold to us (lastly to Matt) and the price paid reflected a complete stock depletion (aside a small # of items that he wanted way too much for) to compensate for "non-compete".

It is a bit dischanting for us to now see him offering product he purportedly all sold to us (he held pack a portion). Besides copying titles and/or listing details from Matt's and our listings, listings such as this one:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/260953137777?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

should give people a good indication of his character. The long derogatory link (if copied and pasted into a browser) defaults to one of our listings for same product on eBay.

Our venturi gaskets are not made in China and we don't sell bootleg products, period.

I can never understand why some sellers have to resort to below-the-belt tactics as, in the long run, they only harm themselves as buyers can usually see through all this dung.

Bernie You owe me like $1000 plus I DID sell everything I had to Matt! I just bought more from my RD friend stands to reason why they would be the same parts

And Bernie you do have parts built in china which does take money out of american pockets but you're a Canuk and don't care (That's bootleg as ****). Stop Dis Honoring my name Live up to the truths I have spoken.

Now I see Why i haven't been selling anything.

AND MATT you jumped in on making me look bad too?

!

As mush money as I've made all u ******** You should be thanking me

Copping Listing details? I Wrote most that crap my self and was inspired by u proz by the rest! Admiration and inspiration turned around on me.

Edited by: Wingingit74 (Please watch your language and let's keep things professional.)

Cox International Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:17 pm

Actually Tom, you owe us some product... remember the parts that were allegedly in transit for almost two months..... allegedly returned to you by the postal system ... then re-sent by you .. again never arriving ... and now on your site for sale?

The reason that you have not been seling much has nothig to do with Matt and us. Our posts are only from today and your auctions and listings were from before that time.

Tom, you have chosen to sell by dissing others ( Cox domestic, bootleg, fake, don't buy from others, etc, etc ) and I can assure you that Reggie, Matt and I are disappointed by this. It is totally unprofessional.

And just for the public record; I do not owe you a single cent as I paid for everything that you shipped me.

On a parting note I would recommend you bow out of this thread as you will probably just dig yourself in deeper with every sentence you write.

EXModelEngines Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:41 pm

The pistons that Tom has are 100% real (or at least the single one I received was).

In regards to me being ashamed, that is ridiculous. We had an agreement to sell me the remaining stock and I was told there would not be any more parts sold by him. The rest speaks for itself in my previous post.

Matt

engine049 Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:42 pm

I SOLD YOU EVERYTHING I AND THEN BOUGHT MORE

engine049 Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:44 pm

Bernie you owe me cash and you're a bad person for lying

Cox International wrote:Actually Tom, you owe us some product... remember the parts that were allegedly in transit for almost two months..... allegedly returned to you by the postal system ... then re-sent by you .. again never arriving ... and now on your site for sale?

The reason that you have not been seling much has nothig to do with Matt and us. Our posts are only from today and your auctions and listings were from before that time.

Tom, you have chosen to sell by dissing others ( Cox domestic, bootleg, fake, don't buy from others, etc, etc ) and I can assure you that Reggie, Matt and I are disappointed by this. It is totally unprofessional.

And just for the public record; I do not owe you a single cent as I paid for everything that you shipped me.

On a parting note I would recommend you bow out of this thread as you will probably just dig yourself in deeper with every sentence you write.

WingingIt74 Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:55 pm

As entertaining as it is to read, I sugest to you gentlemen that you don't air your dirty laundry in public.

Cox International Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:13 pm

It is quite interesting that, if you think I owe you any money, you have never brought this up in the last 2 - 3 years. really interesting lol!

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