ENYA 09 II

Ive been collecting Dooling for a while now, most of the pre-war stuff is out of reach for me.
Not long ago I came across a mis priced Dooling Mercury rear drive new listing that was way too low, I hesitated for a second and it was gone.
This .61 I have carries its own magneto

Spectacular engines guys. Love that Dooling.

GWillie Thanks for posting that picture along with the instructions, I saved the instructions. What is different though is the early .09II's had Made In Japan cast in the right bearer while the first edition 3001's had it on the left.

Yes, Enya just supplied a straight piece of wire on the early carburetors for the throttle control. But the PO of this one had a simple solution, just cut the wire and twist.



Bob

For anyone interested -

https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?1402733-Vintage-Glow-Engines/page789#post31515595

I've got 4 Enya .09-III's, 2 TV (RC) and 2 with venturis. They are fantastic engines. Peter Chinn rated them back in 1965 as being 2nd powerful to the .09 Tee Dee. Using Peter's data, I was surprised that the CL version is a touch more powerful than the well acclaimed Fox .15X. Because the HP peaks out at a lower RPM, to take advantage, must be propped with larger diameter / steeper pitched props.





I also was amazed that they are a touch more powerful than the competing 1965 OS Max .10R/C (I have 3). The OS is a sweet engine, very easy throttling, with exhaust baffle plate for idle back pressure, weighs only 3 oz., a good upgrade to that anemic .049 plane. I've seen it turn my trainer into a decent sport plane.





I've gained a respect for Enya being top notched engines. Both these engines need to be propped with larger / steeper pitched props to take advantage of their lower power band, but propped properly, they really move out. The Enyga has a touch more power to make up for its 1 oz. heavier weight.

Twin Stack wrote:For anyone interested -

https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?1402733-Vintage-Glow-Engines/page789#post31515595

Of all of my Enya .09"s that I have (67 engines in all) I only am missing the shiny .09 and the buggy "Quicky" (but didn't really want a car engine) .
Unfortunately I didn't keep the boxes from the Enya .09 (Model 3001 -- which I have three) and the boxes for 3 of the four Enya. 09-II that I have. Now I wished I did?

So those guys that don't have their original boxes are in an Enya "newer" square box like the newer Enya engines.

Enya .09 Model 3001 U-Control and with T.V. (Yes the T.V."IS" original when I purchased it!)




Enya .09-II with original T.V.



The mass produced Enya .09-III




The very "RARE" Enya .09-III BB T.V.
(which was not mentioned by the way?) Produced for only a year and a half?
Close look at the 2nd photo shows that this engines was on Enya's engine list.




The photo of the Enya .09-IV with small exhaust (to use the old clamp on muffler)
This engine was missed some how by Twin Stack on R/C Group Forum?




The Enya .09-IV Plain Bearing "large stack" exhaust for the new .09/.15/.19 muffler


Now the Enya .09-IV BB T.V. ( with the BB stamped on the front housing)
Reason being some plain bearing .09-IV also had the "RED" prop driver (so don't go by just the red prop driver!)
I have "four" plain bearing .09-IV engines with the red prop driver and are "not" ball bearing. and not sold as BB engines.



Last is the Quicky (Enya .09-IV)
The best of them all.
Originally as a "buggy" engine (car). It was also changed into an airplane engine.
I was originally not interested in the "buggy" engine but did purchase the "Quicky" plane engine.


On the R/C Group Forum, Twin Stacks has 90% of the Enya .09 engines correct but missed out on the Enya-III BB which was a very short run and some of the details on the "RED" prop driver info along with the BB stamped on the front housing of the engines that are BB engines.

I do like the smaller Enya engines from the .049 to the .19 size engines and have been purchasing them for more than 55 years.
I also had one opportunity to visit the Enya plant before they moved to their new location back in 2004.
While there I purchased an Enya 90-4C engine that a woman was placing the engine and accessories into the box to be shipped out and had Ken Enya sign the top of the box for me (special!)
That one is my "special" engine.

Hi sosam,
the reason why I omitted that particular 09 variant is, I don't have one in my collection and as well, I couldn't find an image of one on the net (the RCG posting intended to be a simple, visual one). I don't claim to be an expert on every single ENYA engine and variant !

However, on page 61 of my ENYA Compendium, I wrote this which hopefully will satisfy you -
"The smallest of the engines designed by Saburo Enya (the 09) must hold some sort of record for the number of times that the crankcase casting was altered to change on which side the exhaust stack was positioned. Starting with the Model 3001, the exhaust was on the R.H. side, but when the 09-II was released, that was changed to the L.H. side. The stack remained on the left all through production of the 09-III, and was last seen on the 09-III BB first variant. A second variant of the 09-III BB appeared with the stack now on the R.H. side, and it remained in that position on all the following 09-IV variants. As well, there were “small” and “large” stacks (the latter for a bolton muffler), thus it’s possible to find an 09-III BB with a “small” stack on either the left or right hand side, or an 09-IV BB with a “small” R.H. exhaust stack, before the switch to the larger stack"

I was interested in your photo of the ENYA literature, as I don't have that particular sheet which mentions the 09-III BB. Could you tell me though - what does the asterisk signify next to the III BB listing ?

Twin Stack wrote:Hi sosam,
the reason why I omitted that particular 09 variant is, I don't have one in my collection and as well, I couldn't find an image of one on the net (the RCG posting intended to be a simple, visual one). I don't claim to be an expert on every single ENYA engine and variant !

However, on page 61 of my ENYA Compendium, I wrote this which hopefully will satisfy you -
"The smallest of the engines designed by Saburo Enya (the 09) must hold some sort of record for the number of times that the crankcase casting was altered to change on which side the exhaust stack was positioned. Starting with the Model 3001, the exhaust was on the R.H. side, but when the 09-II was released, that was changed to the L.H. side. The stack remained on the left all through production of the 09-III, and was last seen on the 09-III BB first variant. A second variant of the 09-III BB appeared with the stack now on the R.H. side, and it remained in that position on all the following 09-IV variants. As well, there were “small” and “large” stacks (the latter for a bolton muffler), thus it’s possible to find an 09-III BB with a “small” stack on either the left or right hand side, or an 09-IV BB with a “small” R.H. exhaust stack, before the switch to the larger stack"

I was interested in your photo of the ENYA literature, as I don't have that particular sheet which mentions the 09-III BB. Could you tell me though - what does the asterisk signify next to the III BB listing ?

I don't know what the asterisk says because my Enya literature is in Japanese.
I'll need to either scan it or take a photo and go to one of the translation websites to see what it says.

I do have all of the Enya .09 variations (except the shiny case .09) but I have not yet photographed them all.
I have acquired 90% my engines from Japan (Hobby & Toy stores) when I was in Japan.

My company had me go over to Japan every three months so when a new engine from Enya came out I usually tried to purchase it.

How I got the engines back to the USA was interesting.
Working for Cat Fuel Systems (injectors), I packaged the Enya engines with the returning injectors in the metal shipping cases (a little bigger than a very larger luggage) inside and when I got stopped, I told TSA that these are defective injectors I'm bringing back to my company for inspection.

Did it for 5 years with the contract that Cat Fuel Systems had with ISUZU making diesel injectors for the Trooper.
Got about 375 Enya engines. Bad thing is all of the literature, engine papers and info. are in Japanese.

Had a nice boss that flew model airplanes to and brought back some items for him too.

Twin Stack,
I have "ten" Enya engines (.049-II / .06-II / .08 and a .10) that were specially modified by a company called Mokoken.
They fetch a higher price than the original Enya engines.
I have done some comparison to see the difference and there are quite a few but the look is like an original Enya engine.

Here is the web site of a Enya .10 diesel that they have done.

http://mokoken.driven.jp/engin/ENYA10/ENYA10.html

The photo below is one I have and it was the one of the 1st ones they did.




One easy way to spot a Mokoken engine is the crankshaft that they make the threads for the prop nuts the Enya .049-II from Mokoken uses M4x.5 thd pitch and the Emya .06-II from Mokoken uses M5x.5 thd and not the old JIS thread pitch.
So, those engines have turned spinners instead of prop nuts.

As an example: the Enya .10 (diesel) engine

Twin Stack wrote:Hi sosam,
the reason why I omitted that particular 09 variant is, I don't have one in my collection and as well, I couldn't find an image of one on the net (the RCG posting intended to be a simple, visual one). I don't claim to be an expert on every single ENYA engine and variant !

However, on page 61 of my ENYA Compendium, I wrote this which hopefully will satisfy you -
"The smallest of the engines designed by Saburo Enya (the 09) must hold some sort of record for the number of times that the crankcase casting was altered to change on which side the exhaust stack was positioned. Starting with the Model 3001, the exhaust was on the R.H. side, but when the 09-II was released, that was changed to the L.H. side. The stack remained on the left all through production of the 09-III, and was last seen on the 09-III BB first variant. A second variant of the 09-III BB appeared with the stack now on the R.H. side, and it remained in that position on all the following 09-IV variants. As well, there were “small” and “large” stacks (the latter for a bolton muffler), thus it’s possible to find an 09-III BB with a “small” stack on either the left or right hand side, or an 09-IV BB with a “small” R.H. exhaust stack, before the switch to the larger stack"

I was interested in your photo of the ENYA literature, as I don't have that particular sheet which mentions the 09-III BB. Could you tell me though - what does the asterisk signify next to the III BB listing ?

Twin Stack,
I was able to get the particular sheet that I have which mentions the 09-III BB translated.
The single asterisk signify that in the translation it is a One Pole Bearing. I think it really means "ball" bearing.
The double asterisk on the same brochure say that those are Two Pole bearing (ball bearing engines).


I hope that answers you question. Below is the translated section you wanted.

sosam,
Thank You for clearing that point up! The rest of that table though is quite ambiguous, and doesn't make a lot of sense. Rather than listing engines that were all available at a particular point in time (as when you compare spec sheets that came boxed with the engine) it seems to list engines from all different periods of time. As an example, it lists the old 09-II which was superseded by the 09-III in 1966, yet mentions late era ENYA's like the 49X and the 60 XRV. As well, it lists a 60 IIB which as far as I know, doesn't exist. The 1965 60-II Model 7032 was replaced by the 60-III and then the 60-IIIB both being Models 7033. Just shows the problems that us historians can face!

It is hard to say what the intentions were of the original author as to a need to include the other engines in the sheet. I'm thinking a possibility that it may have been possible in some shops in Japan, may still have old unsold stock, so when a person came across, could be an incentive to buy.

Not all the world had model distribution centers like we have in US. And, sometimes, I wished I was a little more bold to have back in the 2000's, bought an Enya .08 TV from Singapore. It's price was somewhat high but not bad, but still available there and they shipped overseas.

I think more likely it was compiled by a "non ENYA person" and included some crucial spelling mistakes eg. there's no such engine as a 29-VI B (should read 29-IV B), ditto the 35-II B (should be either 35-II or III)

Twin Stack wrote:sosam,
Thank You for clearing that point up!  The rest of that table though is quite ambiguous, and doesn't make a lot of sense.  Rather than listing engines that were all available at a particular point in time (as when you compare spec sheets that came boxed with the engine) it seems to list engines from all different periods of time. As an example, it lists the old 09-II which was superseded by the 09-III in 1966, yet mentions late era ENYA's like the 49X and the 60 XRV.  As well, it lists a 60 IIB which as far as I know, doesn't exist. The 1965 60-II Model 7032 was replaced by the 60-III and then the 60-IIIB both being Models 7033. Just shows the problems that us historians can face!

I have:
1 of 60XF-II (NIB)
1 of 60XF-III (NIB)
1 of 60XF-IV (NIB)
2 of 60-III (both lightly used) -- don't know if they are "B" or not?
Last two I purchased in Japan when I was there. Japanese instructions and brochure.
Will have to look to see (dig them up), but I think they are steel sleeved and not chromed?

GallopingGhostler wrote:It is hard to say what the intentions were of the original author as to a need to include the other engines in the sheet. I'm thinking a possibility that it may have been possible in some shops in Japan, may still have old unsold stock, so when a person came across, could be an incentive to buy.

Not all the world had model distribution centers like we have in US. And, sometimes, I wished I was a little more bold to have back in the 2000's, bought an Enya .08 TV from Singapore. It's price was somewhat high but not bad, but still available there and they shipped overseas.

For a while Ed Carlson of Carlson Engine Imports were bringing in the small Enya engines.
The Enya .049-II / Enya .06-II / Enya .06D- II diesel / Enya .08 and the Enya .10  and also the Enya .15 diesel, until MRC(Altec) gave him papers to cease and desist selling Enya engines all together or they would take him to court for selling the small Enya engines and the Enya diesels.

I purchased "Two" of each of the engines below:
.049-II T.V. with muffler (both still NIB)
.06-II T.V. with muffler (one slightly used and the other NIB)
.06D-II T.V with muffler (one slightly used and the other NIB)
.08 T.V. with muffler (both still NIB)
.10 T.V. with muffler (both still NIB)
and the Enya .15 Diesel (both still NIB)

I don't remember the total cost but I do remember it was a lot of money at the time?
Purchased them about 2001 when he had them "on sale" to get rid of the stock of Enya he had to agree to no longer sell Enya engines.

I have asked him now that Altec is gone if he would sell the small Enya engine and Enya diesels now and his reply is he is getting just too old to sell engines anymore. What engines he has left is it and he'll not be acquiring any new engines and it seems electric is taking over.

Interesting, @sosam117, so much for open competitive trade, I didn't know one could own a monopoly on merchandise imported to US, but that is our world today. Big guy sues little guy.

I always had a very high opinion of Bob Carlson. Would Bob win in court against MRC? May be, but it would tie him up in big legal fees and be a drain both emotionally and materially. Also, it makes me wonder what MRC really gained by such a threat of lawsuit. Other engine brands from Japan, Taiwan and finally mainland China ended up dominating over Enya, making Enya history, relegated to mainly overseas sales.

Yes, those you bought are really nice, but similar to Bob where I am at, the Cox's, Wen Mac's, OK Cubs, Gmark and Gilbert's will satisfy me until they're pried out of my cold dead hands. I have derived a greater joy by doing similar to @rsv1cox and buying obscure and bastardized engines at lower cost, cleaning them up, rejoicing in the final greater outcome.

One E-Bay buyer I bought an Enya .09-III TV from in 2013, that looked very rustic, after clean up, found it to be a very low time or hardly run engine. Beneath the dirt and rust, it cleaned up very nicely. I bought it for a very low price being an only bidder. He was actually miffed about my benefiting, which was odd. (The was too lazy to clean it up, IMO.   )

Twin Stack wrote:I think more likely it was compiled by a "non ENYA person" and included some crucial spelling mistakes eg. there's no such engine as a 29-VI B (should read 29-IV B), ditto the 35-II B (should be either 35-II or III)

It probably was compiled by a non-technical person, may be a family member. I imagine that things were more competitive back then, and the git 'er done attitude was more important. A quick cursory review, out to the printing shop it went then folding, inclusion in engine boxes most likely and to local Japanese engine distribution channels. This was after WW2, and Japan was still in much rebuilding.

It amazes me how Ken Enya's family was able to put together such an amazing enterprise in so quickly a time. It is hard to imagine back then that factory production was putting out thousands of each model back in its day. The consistency in quality was truly amazing.


And, speak of attitude only 50 years ago, I remember as a high school student, traveling down to the, at the time one of the largest shopping malls in the late 1960's, Ala Moana Shopping Center in Waikiki. I overheard a couple tourists from the "Mainland" (Continental US) commenting on Japanese electronic products in one of the stores, the Panasonic radios, calling them "Jap[anese] crap".

Yet, I and my parents had bought them, the quality was every bit as good as Zenith, Packard Bell, GE, Silvertone (Sears brand), etc. WW2 US Gov and US media propaganda had created an atmosphere of mutual hate, distrust and inferiority for the war effort, but very little to reverse that after the war. I may disturb some by saying this, but having a Japanese mother, and growing up as a military dependent in various places in US, found it interesting how I faced these same attitudes displayed in children especially in rural areas, where at the time many military bases were.

My father used to comment how that in the radar installation he worked at in Japan, at times they were out of American tubes, would head into town, buy and substitute Japanese tubes to keep the radars running. Leadership would call these inferior Jap[anese] crap, but as techs they knew better, kept the radars up and running without problems.

Perhaps that's where the statement, "Out of sight, out of mind" came about.

sosam117 wrote:
I have:
1 of 60XF-II (NIB)
1 of 60XF-III (NIB)
1 of 60XF-IV (NIB)
2 of 60-III (both lightly used) -- don't know if they are "B" or not?
Last two I purchased in Japan when I was there. Japanese instructions and brochure.
Will have to look to see (dig them up), but I think they are steel sleeved and not chromed?

sosam,
It's easy to tell if your ENYA 60's are III or IIIB. Both are models 7033 but the earlier 60-III had a rotating exhaust restrictor which was coupled to the throttle, thus both the front and back of the exhaust stack had a hole to house the round restrictor. The 60-IIIB had no such restrictor, so it's exhaust stack was solid on both ends. Both 7033's were pre-Schnuerle with a ringed alloy piston running in a steel liner

Twin Stack wrote:

sosam117 wrote:
I have:
1 of 60XF-II (NIB)
1 of 60XF-III (NIB)
1 of 60XF-IV (NIB)
2 of 60-III (both lightly used) -- don't know if they are "B" or not?
Last two I purchased in Japan when I was there. Japanese instructions and brochure.
Will have to look to see (dig them up), but I think they are steel sleeved and not chromed?

sosam,
It's easy to tell if your ENYA 60's are III or IIIB. Both are models 7033 but the earlier 60-III had a rotating exhaust restrictor which was coupled to the throttle, thus both the front and back of the exhaust stack had a hole to house the round restrictor. The 60-IIIB had no such restrictor, so it's exhaust stack was solid on both ends. Both 7033's were pre-Schnuerle with a ringed alloy piston running in a steel liner

Twin Stack,
My Enya 60-III don't have the rotating exhaust restrictor.
So, I guess that I have the 60-IIIB.
Though on the 60-III (B) engines I have, it looks like a hole could be drilled/reemed out for that rotating restrictor?
Thanks for the information