Re: And It Begins! My son's first build

pkrankow Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:19 pm

Rustoleum colors are pretty good. The painters touch x2, stop rust, and professional lines. NOT metallic! For clear Minwax aerosol polyurethane varnish, but the rustoleum and minwax are not directly compatible, but the minwax can go over fully cured rustoleum, and the rustoleum over fully cured varnish. 2 weeks should be long enough between those kind of coats.

Be careful, both products get heavy in a hurry.

I like to use the Rustoleum professional primer, you can sand it pretty soon after application. The X2 primer seems to ball up if not left alone at least overnight.

Ideally either use varnish over permanent marker OR rustoleum, use the primer to fill the grain, sanding most away between coats, then 1 coat of color on the well sanded primer.

When you are done let it sit for 2 weeks before using so it gains maximum fuel resistance.

Phil

rogermharris Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:32 pm

Thanks Phil. I have done some searching and see rustoleum will do the job. I picked some up today. I saw the midway clear and wondered if it would do the job. We were hoping to get flying in the next few days but that will be out of the question with the two week cure time. At least I have some engines to clean and rebuild along with cleaning out and restocking the flight box. The wait is killing me. So excited to get out and fly again!

rogermharris Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:18 pm

Looks like this at the moment. I will have to give it a couple days and mask off the white to sand and refinish that area.
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**RknRusty** Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:07 pm

Oooh, that's a pretty one. Is that a Walt Musciano design?

rogermharris Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:26 am

RknRusty wrote:Oooh, that's a pretty one. Is that a Walt Musciano design?

yep! black hawk p-51.

good looking kit.

akjgardner Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:54 am

Nice job, did your son help with the paint?

rogermharris Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:13 am

akjgardner wrote:Nice job, did your son help with the paint?

thanks! he came up with the design and i put a mask on him and he brushed on the first couple coats of dope and sanded.there is a bit more detail work to be done.
i told him i would handle the spraying on this one.
last night i had him disassemble a babe bee for cleaning and overhaul and explained the parts and what their purpose/function was.

Sig Skyray Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:04 am

rogermharris wrote:My 10 year old son and I Starting on this Black Hawk P-51 trainer this weekend. Nice looking kit...
I must admit the thought of flying again soon is very exciting along with teaching my boy to build and fly.

Awesome Roger!
My son is 9 and starting his first build this weekend. Building the same model I first built 40 some years ago... a Carl Goldberg 1/2A Lil' Wizard (current version by Brodak). I'll build a 1/2A Skyray along side him. Just ordered some .049's and looking forward to the experience!
I'll have to post some progress photos.
Greg in Florida

Sig Skyray Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:10 am

pkrankow wrote:
rogermharris wrote:
Ken Cook wrote: It's reassuring to know that you can build. This is a good thing and in your mind you know you will be fixing. That being said, the design of the Carl Goldberg Wizard was a good one. A 1/8" ply firewall with ears was glued to the model with cheek blocks backing it up. The ears retained a plastic firewall mount for the Bee engines. The engine screwed to the plastic and the plastic was rubber banded directly to the ears of the firewall. I just may have one of these but it would take a little searching. This would prevent fuselage breakage. Ken

thanks for the suggestion Ken
i am not sure yet what i'm going to build. we never built any with rubber band shock mounted engines but that sounds like a good idea. we developed our own version of the ringmaster trainer i believe. it had a wider/thicker wing and stabilizer and fabricated up a motor mount out of aluminum that ran back 4-5". flew nice and slow i think i remember seeing the plans for Goldberg's wizard when doing some searching the last couple weeks. we got quite a few people flying back then. hopefully i can get out enough this year to do the same

I refer to my first post.
https://www.coxengineforum.com/t3375-scans-of-my-lil-wizard-rubber-band-engine-mount?highlight=wizard

Can be made from 3 pieces of 1/8 inch ply. One is the smaller size, the other two are identical. One on the airplane the other glued to the smaller piece for the engine.

Phil

I can attest to the rubber band value on the Lil' Wizard. The landing gear is also rubber-banded to fold and return when experiencing a nose-first landing. It's a model-saver and saved me a whole lot of repairing!
Greg

rogermharris Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:17 am

Sig Skyray wrote:
Awesome Roger!
My son is 9 and starting his first build this weekend. Building the same model I first built 40 some years ago... a Carl Goldberg 1/2A Lil' Wizard (current version by Brodak). I'll build a 1/2A Skyray along side him. Just ordered some .049's and looking forward to the experience!
I'll have to post some progress photos.
Greg in Florida

thanks greg!

i was 8 or 9 i would guess when we started. my first plane was a plastic ready to fly cox mustang a believe... it really didn't fly well as i remember and after crashing it a hand full of times, dad took me to one of the department stores that carried hobby stuff. (long time ago.. don't recall the name) anyway i'm pretty sure our first of many builds was a couple of beginner ringmasters. i wanted Michael's first build to be a bit nicer plane and hopefully it flies as well as it looks. hopefully i can get a simple profile fuselage trainer put together to do some learning on before we fly the mustang to avoid crashing it right off but, it's going to be fun! the closer it gets, the more excited and impatient i'm becoming!

getback Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:19 am

Good Looking Plane Roger and Son , He should bee proud to have a dad like you . what flavor of red is that ? cherry looking I like the scheme . Eric Babe Bee .049

rogermharris Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:19 am

Sig Skyray wrote:

I can attest to the rubber band value on the Lil' Wizard. The landing gear is also rubber-banded to fold and return when experiencing a nose-first landing. It's a model-saver and saved me a whole lot of repairing!
Greg

i will be building the rubber band engine mount into my trainer for sure

rogermharris Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:23 am

getback wrote:Good Looking Plane Roger and Son , He should bee proud to have a dad like you . what flavor of red is that ? cherry looking I like the scheme . Eric

thanks Eric!

we are having fun so far and spending time with him has been good for both of us. he actually thanked me for spending more time with him and teaching him how to do things.

don't recall the color... they had three different tones of red. this was the middle one

Sig Skyray Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:50 am

pkrankow wrote:Rustoleum colors are pretty good. The painters touch x2, stop rust, and professional lines. NOT metallic! For clear Minwax aerosol polyurethane varnish, but the rustoleum and minwax are not directly compatible, but the minwax can go over fully cured rustoleum, and the rustoleum over fully cured varnish. 2 weeks should be long enough between those kind of coats.

Be careful, both products get heavy in a hurry.

I like to use the Rustoleum professional primer, you can sand it pretty soon after application. The X2 primer seems to ball up if not left alone at least overnight.

Ideally either use varnish over permanent marker OR rustoleum, use the primer to fill the grain, sanding most away between coats, then 1 coat of color on the well sanded primer.

When you are done let it sit for 2 weeks before using so it gains maximum fuel resistance.

Phil

Thanks for that detail Phil. I'm going to need to be finishing my 1/2A kit soon. Are you saying the Rustoleum painters touch x2 off the shelf of my local home improvement store can go on top of the Rustoleum primer and it's fuel proof?
So all I need to finish the plane is primer over raw balsa, sand, recoat, resand, Rustoleum color coat and optionally a clear coat of the Minwax? Hadn't researched finishes yet but do want to do multi-color in our two kits.
Greg

rogermharris Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:10 pm

Sig Skyray wrote:
pkrankow wrote:Rustoleum colors are pretty good. The painters touch x2, stop rust, and professional lines. NOT metallic! For clear Minwax aerosol polyurethane varnish, but the rustoleum and minwax are not directly compatible, but the minwax can go over fully cured rustoleum, and the rustoleum over fully cured varnish. 2 weeks should be long enough between those kind of coats.

Be careful, both products get heavy in a hurry.

I like to use the Rustoleum professional primer, you can sand it pretty soon after application. The X2 primer seems to ball up if not left alone at least overnight.

Ideally either use varnish over permanent marker OR rustoleum, use the primer to fill the grain, sanding most away between coats, then 1 coat of color on the well sanded primer.

When you are done let it sit for 2 weeks before using so it gains maximum fuel resistance.

Phil

Thanks for that detail Phil. I'm going to need to be finishing my 1/2A kit soon. Are you saying the Rustoleum painters touch x2 off the shelf of my local home improvement store can go on top of the Rustoleum primer and it's fuel proof?
So all I need to finish the plane is primer over raw balsa, sand, recoat, resand, Rustoleum color coat and optionally a clear coat of the Minwax? Hadn't researched finishes yet but do want to do multi-color in our two kits.
Greg

yea... not much available and from what ive read along with phil's explanation, it looks like the way to go. i'm pretty sure i saw a thread here on the forum if you do a search. from what ive read.... the lighter colors are best. don't tray the rustoleum clear or metalics. the biggest thing seems to be the curing time of two weeks

pkrankow Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:28 pm

That sums it up pretty well. Highly fuel resistant might be better because it will soften, so no hard rubbing. Clean with Windex if necessary. If the coating seems soft, blot it off and let it sit several hours or overnight then clean it.

I tested several gloss colors with Sig Champion 25%. I would wet a paper towel, apply this to the paint, cover with plastic, and check 30 minutes later. Light rubbing would transfer dark colors. Shades might change some but go back overnight. In use I have not had paint stick to an engine I took off with fuel trapped for hours.

Phil

rogermharris Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:45 pm

not much to report other than the painting is done and the decals installed. the checkered strips are painted. made a mask on the vinyl printer i have at work. not near perfect but, we have had fun so far.
hope to get the engine and hardware on it tomorrow night and see what it will need to get it balanced.

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getback Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:19 am

Well Roger and son , I think that looks Just Great and your having FUN together is a real Bonus !! Hope you are able to get us some videos Heck even just round and round up an down is good stuff . It just keeps getting better and Ya'll can what reruns together . Eric Airplane

rogermharris Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:36 am

getback wrote:Well Roger and son , I think that looks Just Great and your having FUN together is a real Bonus !! Hope you are able to get us some videos Heck even just round and round up an down is good stuff . It just keeps getting better and Ya'll can what reruns together . Eric

thanks Eric!

i plan to shoot some video once he has a successful flight. it will be a couple weeks before the first attempt as we wait for the paint to cure. i'm also trying to get one of my trainers put together and get some flight time in on it before flying this one. i'ed hate to see it destroyed first day out

getback Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:31 am

Roger I was wanting to ask you if your laser would cut on a bevel to make leading edge air foil ? Eric

rogermharris Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:13 am

getback wrote:Roger I was wanting to ask you if your laser would cut on a bevel to make leading edge air foil ? Eric

you would need to fixture it at the proper angle but, i would think it's doable....

maybe more than one angle and multiple cuts.
What?

now that i think of it, that's something that could possibly be accomplished with a rotary indexer attachment but i don't have one

rogermharris Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:08 pm

Well here she is! Finally complete and balanced. she ready to fly as soon as the paint cures. i'll post a video once we get out.
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