Re: Combat planes FS for shipping cost

getback Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:36 pm

Heah waiting on the WORD Babe Bee

eRIC.........pM SENT

**Cribbs74** Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:06 pm

flyjsh wrote:
Cribbs74 wrote:At least you have something to show for it....

Mine was delivered to the wrong place, rejected. Then smashed and discarded.

Hooray!!!!

I am going to cover shipping still as this isn't John's fault. I will say I am not happy about this.

No, don't pay me. I listed them as worth $75 (I'm pretty sure I can justify that). They are supposed to contact me "within 24 hours of inspection" of the item. So.... hopefully everything will be sorted out.

I'm just mad that so far I am 1 for 3 (with 2 in transit).

Don't lose any sleep, it's not your fault at all. This is the second plane USPS has busted on me. Must be a real balsa hater out there.

If USPS fails to pay out(which I predict) let me know and I will be happy to cover shipping. You did us a favor and you shouldn't have to pay for it.

Ron

flyjsh Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:07 pm

Lets see what happens. At the least they gotta be willing to cover the shipping. But I truly appreciate your offer.

I told the old boy I bought them from (I could see in the way he looked at them, he was letting go of something that meant much to him), I told him I wouldn't sell them unless they went to someone who appreciated them. I knew the stuff I bought was worth way more than I paid for it. And while I didn't mind taking a few bucks for my effort, I parted out his collection at very reasonable costs. Basically, I got a big box of balsa and a medallion with a cracked carb body free for selling his stuff. And out of that box of balsa, I have built three planes and have several more in the works. I'd like to think he approved.

I really am just sad that what I thought were fantastic airplanes got destroyed in shipping rather than in combat. When I bought the guy out, he had some powerful .29s, combat engines. I didn't want to fly them because I knew I would crash them the first time I tried a figure 9. I just wanted them to find a good home.

pkrankow Thu Sep 11, 2014 9:06 am

Not perfect but not bad.

The extended outboard wingtip is folded over on mine, but no other damage. I'll have to strip the covering to fix it, but the fix will only take a couple minutes.

I think the covering is lamination film (good stuff) however I don't have any lamination film.

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That's not fixed, just pushed back in place.
Phil

**Cribbs74** Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:18 pm

Phil,

Any chance of cutting a slit and re-gluing? You could cover the slit in clear tape.

crankbndr Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:48 pm

I was just curious who shipped the models, UPS or USPS? I see both mentioned, UPS could damage a brick wrapped in bubble wrap.
I won't use them even if I got to pay double. Huh...

pkrankow Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:42 pm

Cribbs74 wrote:Phil,

Any chance of cutting a slit and re-gluing? You could cover the slit in clear tape.

Probably. I have a roll of that "Gorilla" tape to try. I haven't looked closer at it yet.

Phil

**Cribbs74** Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:00 pm

Hope you can knock it out easily.

UPS I believe was the culprit Doug.

flyjsh Thu Sep 11, 2014 9:35 pm

It was UPS and I am not happy with them. Back in the days when I flew freight, we used to say, "If you want it there tomorrow, send it FedEx. If you want it there promptly, send it UPS. If you want it there sometime, send it ABex. If you want it there broken, send it there DHL." Well, DHL bought ABex, and ruined the company. And now it seems UPS has followed in DHL's footsteps.

One crushed plane they are going to pay for when I show proof of value (I have found a couple similar kits, but if yall know of others, please pm me so I can thump them). Another crushed plane they said they were not going to pay for due to insufficient packaging..... and they threw it away so I cannot offer proof of adequate packaging. When I get paid for the first, I plan on using it as proof that the second was acceptable.

Phil, the old boy that I got these from gave me a huge roll of whatever covering he used. Give me some time to find it(I am in the middle of a 7 day trip) and I will send you a batch. If you can mend it without me putting in a claim, that would give credence to appropriate packaging. Hell, when I find it, I will send you enough for a few planes.

I'm really [bleep] that my attempts at finding these planes good homes has gone so badly. As Judge Judy says, No good deed goes unpunished.

(sorry to the admins that I used a dirty word. It was wrong, and I apologize.)

flyjsh Thu Sep 11, 2014 9:49 pm

On a lighter note, those of you who have noticed my photo have seen that I have a fondness for the Saab Fairchild 340. Now that I have gotten back into this hobby and have gotten a few easy starting good runners, I have started to work on plans for a 340. Viva The Mighty Saab!

pkrankow Thu Sep 11, 2014 9:56 pm

Heck yea I can mend it! I am pretty sire that is laminating film from the office supply store. Not sure the thickness, but I guess 1.5 mil, the thinner common thickness. (3 mil is the thicker common thickness)

Now if only I had an engine that would pretend to fit...os25 is almost identical to Fox 35, and the is has no prayer of fitting, the lugs are too narrow on the engine by a lot, say 1/4 inch! Not to mention that even with the remote NVA and plastic back off the lugs are too tight to the wing, which already has a cavity!

Nope, didn't even look at the wingtip more closely. The damage borders on "trivial".

Phil

pkrankow Fri Sep 12, 2014 10:30 am

I CA'd the wingtip, made a couple inch long slices over the breaks, flexed, glued, pushed back. There were about 3 more breaks than I thought, but I think it will be fine. I can build an entire new wingtip out of my scrap bin if I need.

My Dad has a Testors 19 which I know is wider than the Fox and OS engines. I think there are some other engines he was recently given by my cousin (who no longer flys slime, let alone CL) that might be suited. The bladder setup appears to be non-pressure balloon, which is pretty easy to do and works well with suction draw engines.

Phil

getback Fri Sep 12, 2014 3:18 pm

Phil I got an old fox 35 looks like it would fit my plane would need measurements ..... combat plane for - Combat planes FS for shipping cost - Page 2 Pt-19_11

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It needs cleaning I would let it go for $20.00+ shipping Very Happy

pkrankow Fri Sep 12, 2014 6:34 pm

Getback,
That is a heck of an offer. I think several different engines were used by this gentleman if the Fox 35 lines up with the plane you got. I know the Fox won't fit THIS plane (I have one, and the OS25). It will fit the incomplete combat wing I got with my super ringmaster that is drilled to match a Fox, or OS, but I don't have strong plans to finish that plane at this time. (It has pretty bad hangar rash.)

My brother is going to see what is at our parents house, and measure the spacing later this week. The spacing on the airframe "center to center" is 1 5/8 inch for width. The Fox and OS are about 1 5/16 for width (they are slightly different metric vs inch, but slightly over sized holes in the mounting is all it takes.)

Phil

microflitedude Fri Sep 12, 2014 6:43 pm

crankbndr wrote:I was just curious who shipped the models, UPS or USPS? I see both mentioned, UPS could damage a brick wrapped in bubble wrap.
I won't use them even if I got to pay double.

Yeah, UPS is not known for being gentle in transit - care is sacrificed in the name of speed. They also have strict packaging rules they can use to deny you a refund for damaged goods. FedEx on the other hand is a good alternative that I have sent and received planes through without issue. Yet.

Also, stamping "fragile" on the box has been known to do more harm than good, so don't bother.

Davenz13 Fri Sep 12, 2014 6:50 pm

Maybe that's what UPS stands for, Ultimate Package Squashers

flyjsh Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:31 pm

Well, here is the 'truth is stranger than fiction' post for the day:

So, today I got Ron's bird back. It was the one that UPS said was damaged, discarded, and were denying my claim. Yep, there it was on my front door bent through 60 degrees. So, I took a photo. When I picked it up, it seemed much heavier than when I sent it: must have been left out in the rain and got soaked I figured. Took it inside, more pictures. Opened it up, found the plane to be a pile of match sticks. More pictures. No sign of moisture as yet.

I picked up the 'empty' box, and it still had weight to it. Looked deep into it, and found a bag of what appeared to be 4.5 ounce bottles of hair spray. Took another pic. Then I opened the bag to find NINE BOTTLES OF SEX LUBE all of the derriere variety!!!!

Shocked

I took pics of them: labels and price tags facing the camera. Nine bottles totaling over $130! It seems I wasn't the only one scr***d.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, Over!

**Cribbs74** Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:44 pm

I can't stop laughing! lol!

Aero Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:01 pm

Wow! Can't top that!

My plane showed up yesterday, with only about a 10 degree bend in the box. The plane was OK though.

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Thanks John!

**Cribbs74** Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:13 pm

Allen,

Enjoy, looks like you are the lucky one!

flyjsh Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:29 pm

So the final tally:

2 arrived safely (Yippee!)
1 sustained minor damage (Phil, PM me if you want some of the covering, I have a BIG roll)
1 broken
and...
1 bent over and banged, but at least it was well lubed.

I'm seriously thinking about going to my local UPS store with the box, the kindling, and the lube. Perhaps if I return 130 bucks worth of lube, they will pay out the 75 bucks I claimed they were worth. Besides, if I go when they are busy, it could be a real hoot!!!!

Ooorrrrrrr, Huh...

considering I live in the Gayborhood and have many friends who have 'partners', I could 'pay it forward' and give the lube to them. Heck, 130 bucks worth of lube could get me 200 bucks in drinks.
lol!

**Cribbs74** Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:47 pm

Seems to me that since 2 arrived unmolested then it wasn't a packaging issue. But a handling issue.

Ron

stevej Sat Sep 13, 2014 3:49 am

@getback That's not too bad. I've fixed worse than that between rounds & got back up for revenge. Smile

The 1962 Fox Rocket .35 and Combat Special were 1 5/8" wide.

getback Sat Sep 13, 2014 8:49 am

John , That's just too funny / but sad ! / I think on PT-19 day someone should make a snach and grab pick up of a UPS sign , but would need to crash to make it right lol!

..... Stevej that is one light fox 35 , if it would run strong//// the plane mount is 5/8 " and 1 9/16" well just checked the fox is the same!!! looks like i'll be cleaning that puppy up Very Happy

Yea I Can get it fixed but I will have to remove all the covering on the out board side and repair were the lead outs are (John I don't have any transparent covering) if you can help I will pay you for it .... And as soon as you decide let me know about the S&H cost there is no reason for you to lose for trying to help another modeler. Eric Very Happy

Ken Cook Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:06 am

Just a little information, most of your older up to the mid 80's Fox's utilize the same bolt pattern in the .19's, .25's, .35's. I will say this however, a Fox.35 will fly the plane, but a .35X, .36X would be more suitable. These planes pictured are set up to run on pen bladders and the Fox .35 stunt wouldn't be my choice in doing so. It will work as I mentioned above but old Fox Combat Special, or a old Fox Blackhead or bolt on front end Fox Rocket would be a better choice. All of the above share the same pattern as the Fox .35. Here's a early Combat Special which is incorrectly listed on Ebay as a .35 stunt. This is essentially a blackhead a year earlier to the head being black http://www.ebay.com/itm/FOX-35-STUNT-ENGINE-USED-/201167265409?pt=Radio_Control_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2ed680de81 These old woodies like horsepower and fly better and more stable at higher speeds. As soon as the trigger is pulled into a maneuver, the plane slows down tremendously and a diamond airfoil is horrible for this problem. Level flight however it will go like stink. If the Fox .35 stunt is going to be used, winding them up is certainly in order. We used 9x6's and even 8x6's for them. If you use the bladder, a Super Tiger needle valve assembly will fit the Fox .35 and works well on pressure. The lighter the load on the engine combined with higher rpm's allows for better needle settings thus the need for the smaller prop like the 8x6. Running these planes on hard tanks is certainly going to be a test of patience and frustration. Ken

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