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Anyone notice this too?
SuperDave Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:41 am
We're witnessing in our midst a renaissance movement in control-line flying.
What is it about CL flying that makes it so appealing?
I say it's the utter simplicity as we have largely but not entirely drifted away from the expense and complications of RC.
A review of recent postings shows a clear trend toward CL. If so, I'm all for it!
What is it about CL flying that makes it so appealing?
I say it's the utter simplicity as we have largely but not entirely drifted away from the expense and complications of RC.
A review of recent postings shows a clear trend toward CL. If so, I'm all for it!
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Cribbs74 Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:54 am
Well Dave,
It may be all those things you mentioned, for me it's also some nostalgia factor mixed in with the challenge of learning. The old kits look cool an work well.
CL isn't easy and while limited in what can be done with an airplane as opposed to RC it is still hard to do!
Cox engines perform well in the CL arena as well. Maybe folks are seeking simpler pleasures like you mentioned.
I am digging it as well!
Ron
It may be all those things you mentioned, for me it's also some nostalgia factor mixed in with the challenge of learning. The old kits look cool an work well.
CL isn't easy and while limited in what can be done with an airplane as opposed to RC it is still hard to do!
Cox engines perform well in the CL arena as well. Maybe folks are seeking simpler pleasures like you mentioned.
I am digging it as well!
Ron
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duke.johnson Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:49 am
Guys
I see some of the things you have mentioned as well. I also remember when I tried to get into R/C as a teenager and couldn't get any help. The R/C guys didn't want anything to do with this kid and his $100 plane. I still have both kits sitting on the shelf covered in a thick layer of dust and have moved them with me from house to house over the years. It was my boys that started us into CL, when they were given a Cox Chipmunk (never fueled) (sorry collectors we flew it and sacrificed it to the hobby) from the widow down the road. Her late husband never flew it. I knew a guy that flew CL and called him, he called a friend and they came right over. In an attempt to keep this a little shorter, IT'S THE PEOPLE! I have talked the legends of the hobby great and small around the country, and they all say the same thing "how can I help" and "let me know how I can help". We all need a hobby, the cost needs to be right, but with out the people to come beside the newbies the hobby will die. We have some great people. Just my opinion.
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I see some of the things you have mentioned as well. I also remember when I tried to get into R/C as a teenager and couldn't get any help. The R/C guys didn't want anything to do with this kid and his $100 plane. I still have both kits sitting on the shelf covered in a thick layer of dust and have moved them with me from house to house over the years. It was my boys that started us into CL, when they were given a Cox Chipmunk (never fueled) (sorry collectors we flew it and sacrificed it to the hobby) from the widow down the road. Her late husband never flew it. I knew a guy that flew CL and called him, he called a friend and they came right over. In an attempt to keep this a little shorter, IT'S THE PEOPLE! I have talked the legends of the hobby great and small around the country, and they all say the same thing "how can I help" and "let me know how I can help". We all need a hobby, the cost needs to be right, but with out the people to come beside the newbies the hobby will die. We have some great people. Just my opinion.
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RknRusty Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:18 am
All of the above, and it's just plain fun. It's a whole body exercise in balance and coordination and quick reaction. I frequently drive past a makeshift RC field near my house and the other day I watched a guy flying a big ol' yellow plane that looks like I could throw a saddle over it and go for a ride. The whole time he was flying, he was leaning against the side of a truck with his ankles crossed and one elbow on the hood. I expected him to yawn any second. Now I know RC can be a hell of a lot more intense than that, but damn, dude have some fun!
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WingingIt74 Wed Nov 07, 2012 2:40 pm
If I keep trying to fly CL, there won't be any planes left 
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SuperDave Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:00 pm
Travis:
Don't let all this talk of outside loops, inverted flight and such throw you off course in learning to fly CL. Your first task is just flying straight and level "roundy, round" without trying any "trick" stuff.
You must learn to "walk" before you can "run". Right?
Don't let all this talk of outside loops, inverted flight and such throw you off course in learning to fly CL. Your first task is just flying straight and level "roundy, round" without trying any "trick" stuff.
You must learn to "walk" before you can "run". Right?
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RknRusty Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:03 pm
Right, that can be exciting enough, just committing your basic reactions to muscle memory.SuperDave wrote:Travis:
Don't let all this talk of outside loops, inverted flight and such throw you off course in learning to fly CL. Your first task is just flying straight and level "roundy, round" without trying any "trick" stuff.
You must learn to "walk" before you can "run". Right?
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WingingIt74 Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:07 pm
CL is really a different kind of flying all together.
I taught myself how to fly RC. I started flying a Blade CP helicopter then transitioned to a 3ch ParkZone Slo-V a little after that. (Ya, I still can't fly helicopters well)
A year later, here I am, my first 4-ch RC plane maiden flight
Helicopters I can fly around a little, but parts tend to break once I start flying forward
I taught myself how to fly RC. I started flying a Blade CP helicopter then transitioned to a 3ch ParkZone Slo-V a little after that. (Ya, I still can't fly helicopters well)
A year later, here I am, my first 4-ch RC plane maiden flight
Helicopters I can fly around a little, but parts tend to break once I start flying forward
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iskandar taib Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:49 pm
SuperDave wrote:Travis:
Don't let all this talk of outside loops, inverted flight and such throw you off course in learning to fly CL. Your first task is just flying straight and level "roundy, round" without trying any "trick" stuff.
You must learn to "walk" before you can "run". Right?
Yes and no. The BEST way to teach someone to fly control line is to use a stunt kite! Instead of using two handles, hook up the two lines to a broomstick. Now it'll behave just like a CL model except it'll just fly downwind. You can teach them to fly loops and figure 8s, and they'll be able to do this on a CL plane from day one. Flying complete laps will require a CL model, of course...
To me there are no "inside" or "outside" loops - just clockwise and anticlockwise ones!
For me, CL beats RC because there is nothing like CL Combat. Once bitten, you can never get away from it. Everything else seems mundane in comparison. I'm sure the RC version is fun, too, but it's not the same - sort of the difference between fencing or a knife fight and a bar brawl (in RC Combat you have 6, 7, 8 pilots milling around, taking swipes at each others' streamers as they fly by).
Incidentally, RC's gotten so cheap they sell them at the supermarket. Even helicopters. Never thought I'd see the day... Just about anyone can afford one, and learn to fly one without instruction.
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dirk gently Thu Nov 08, 2012 1:41 am
Now, that reminds me of something...WingingIt74 wrote:CL is really a different kind of flying all together.
And don't call me Shirley
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John Goddard Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:27 am
Striker, listen, and you listen close: flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle, just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes
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Kim Thu Nov 08, 2012 5:32 am
"It's like that day."
"Over Macho Grande?"
"Oh no...I'll NEVER get over Macho Grande !"
"Over Macho Grande?"
"Oh no...I'll NEVER get over Macho Grande !"
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Kim Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:06 am
duke.johnson wrote:Guys
In an attempt to keep this a little shorter, IT'S THE PEOPLE! I have talked the legends of the hobby great and small around the country, and they all say the same thing "how can I help" and "let me know how I can help". We all need a hobby, the cost needs to be right, but with out the people to come beside the newbies the hobby will die. We have some great people. Just my opinion.
Duke
I couldn't agree more! I tend to be somewhat of a loner, but there isn't anything more fun than sharing this hobby with an enthusiastic novice, or trading ideas and arguments with those who've been in it a while !
I've got several control line DVD's produced by Control Line Expert Windy Urtnowski (you can get them on the Brodak site), that provide tips on everything from finishing, control set-up, to flight trimming his fantastic models. I was originally interested in seeing some good footage of his magnificent Hawker Typhoon Stunt Model, and after we traded some notes, he sent me, free of charge) several MORE DVD's he said "might have some Typhoon footage on them somewhere"!
Throughout the DVD's, he talks of the fellowship of flying with his friends, along with footage of several pranks pulled at the NAT's and general harassment of his buds. I often punch them into the player in my shop, and let them run while working on my projects. Great Stuff !! The guy knows how to have fun!
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microflitedude Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:57 am
Travis, can you actually fly a Blade CP?
Every RC guy I know seriously dislikes them.
Every RC guy I know seriously dislikes them.
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WingingIt74 Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:20 am
microflitedude wrote:Travis, can you actually fly a Blade CP?
Every RC guy I know hates them.
I don't have a CP any more but that's what I learned on. I have a SR, mCPx, mSR & mCX.
My first successful rc plane was a Cox 3-in-1
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SuperDave Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:25 am
"Hate" is so ill-defined that it bears little relevance in flying anything.
I've very seldom seen it used here on CECF. Isn't preference better word?
I've very seldom seen it used here on CECF. Isn't preference better word?
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WingingIt74 Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:26 am
iskandar taib wrote:Yes and no. The BEST way to teach someone to fly control line is to use a stunt kite!
I've flown those too, they are great fun
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microflitedude Thu Nov 08, 2012 1:49 pm
SuperDave wrote:"Hate" is so ill-defined that it bears little relevance in flying anything.
I've very seldom seen it used here on CECF. Isn't preference better word?
I suppose the word is a bit strong, but so are the people I know. They "dislike" it with a passion.
I will change it.Kudos to Travis for learning with it.
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ahrma_581 Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:42 pm
SuperDave wrote:What is it about CL flying that makes it so appealing?
There is a tactile dimension to CL flying that is entirely missing from RC. You can feel the plane loading and unloading the lines. A good, experienced pilot could probably turn a lap or two and maybe throw in the odd loop with their eyes closed.
In contrast RC is more video game like: strictly hand/eye coordination. Perhaps why, in the larger scheme of things, RC is more popular.
Disclaimer: I suck at video games.
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SuperDave Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:53 pm
ahrma:
With my failing vision as long as the plane is pulling on the lines I know it's out there.
Not so with RC. "Where'd the damn thing go?" I've been known to ask.
With my failing vision as long as the plane is pulling on the lines I know it's out there.
Not so with RC. "Where'd the damn thing go?" I've been known to ask.
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RknRusty Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:41 pm
Yeah, just ask Ken. Combat pilots have to learn to fly without looking at their planes. I'm not wild about adding blind flying to my repertoire. So I guess I'll flunk out of Jedi school.ahrma_581 wrote:There is a tactile dimension to CL flying that is entirely missing from RC. You can feel the plane loading and unloading the lines. A good, experienced pilot could probably turn a lap or two and maybe throw in the odd loop with their eyes closed.
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Ken Cook Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:16 pm
At Brodak's the past few years, a younger flyer was most impressive on the combat circle. He would fly a F2d plane through the AMA stunt pattern blindfolded. When I asked him, he explained he would fly the plane in the dark. I dunno, I can't keep a F2d plane out of the ground in daylight let alone darkness. It certainly was a remarkable task. Ken
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Mark Boesen Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:33 pm
WingingIt74 wrote:microflitedude wrote:Travis, can you actually fly a Blade CP?
Every RC guy I know hates them.
I don't have a CP any more but that's what I learned on. I have a SR, mCPx, mSR & mCX.
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