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Cox Engine of The Month
Tee Dee 010, Wow
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Tee Dee 010, Wow
Iv'e just taken delivery of a Cox Tee Dee 010. Having only ever seen them in pictures. Can I just say WOW, its the most fantastic little engine I've ever seen. Is it small or what? However, having tried to bench run it it wont even fire.
On removal the head smokes and sizzles, but doesn't appear to glow, is it getting hot enough? I've ordered another head and a, spring start. I'm also considering stripping it and cleaning it. Is there anything I should look out for?.
I'd appreciate any advice.
Cheers
On removal the head smokes and sizzles, but doesn't appear to glow, is it getting hot enough? I've ordered another head and a, spring start. I'm also considering stripping it and cleaning it. Is there anything I should look out for?.
I'd appreciate any advice.
Cheers
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Re: Tee Dee 010, Wow
ebeneezer wrote: On removal the head smokes and sizzles, but doesn't appear to glow, is it getting hot enough? I've ordered another head and a, spring start. I'm also considering stripping it and cleaning it. Is there anything I should look out for?.
I'd appreciate any advice. Cheers
if you are using a NiCd you might want to switch to a pair of "D" cells and discard them at the end of the season. NiCd = 1.2V, "D" cells = 1.5V. Also make sure your connector wires are heavy enough to carry the amps. If your present setup starts other Cox engines, this information is not relevant.
The spring starter is a great help.
I would remove the glow head and the tank assembly and flush the engine and tank out with fuel. Also remove the needle valve assembly and make sure the holes are not plugged. Further disassembly should not be necessary.
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Re: Tee Dee 010, Wow
Amazing, isn't it? You can't fully appreciate it until you've seen one in real life.
Yeah, go ahead and tear it down. Be very careful, and don't use much force; these are fragile engines and can be damaged easily. Do you have a set of wrenches? Remove the drive plate by unscrewing the carb collet. Take off the venturi assy and the carb body will slide out.
Heat up the glow head before you try to unscrew it. I left my cylinder on, because I did not want to risk burring or disfiguring it.
EDIT* I see George beat me to some of it.
Yeah, go ahead and tear it down. Be very careful, and don't use much force; these are fragile engines and can be damaged easily. Do you have a set of wrenches? Remove the drive plate by unscrewing the carb collet. Take off the venturi assy and the carb body will slide out.
Heat up the glow head before you try to unscrew it. I left my cylinder on, because I did not want to risk burring or disfiguring it.
EDIT* I see George beat me to some of it.
Re: Tee Dee 010, Wow
Also, be careful when you screw the backplate on. Sometimes it's hard to tell when to stop and... ...there's goes your non-cracked backplate.
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Re: Tee Dee 010, Wow
How sure are you that the glo-head is receiving 1.1/2 volts from the battery?
Use a fresh pair of D cells and try again.
Use a fresh pair of D cells and try again.
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Re: Tee Dee 010, Wow
Look at the glow element under a magnifying glass. Make sure it isn't leaning over and touching the side of its enclosure, and check that the end is still soldered to the head. You can straighten it with a straight dental pick or a wooden toothpick. You can check conductivity with an ohm meter to see if it's making a good closed circuit. It also wouldn't hurt to use a syringe and give the glow element a blast of denatured alcohol to clean it. Whether or not you remove the crank, make sure you get some fresh oil or at least fuel down the crankshaft tube before you start it.
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Re: Tee Dee 010, Wow
Thanks Guys, I'll let you know how I get on.
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Re: Tee Dee 010, Wow
Hey Eb!
I got in on this thread a little late, but would advise you to REALLY think about it BEFORE removing the drive plate and carb body. If it seems to be generally clean, you might be better leaving those parts together and just removing the needle valve assy and the venturi. From there, with the glowhead removed, you can flush it's innards with plenty of fresh fuel, followed by some light oil.
The .010 I got in my last Ebay buy had a totally loaded up/clogged spray ring that took some heat, flushing, and probing with a fine wire to dislodge some blobs of petrified fuel.
Be VERY careful screwing venturi/spray ring assy back into the carb body, as you can crack the body almost without knowing and give yourself an air leak that will cause erratic needle settings.
Just some of my thoughts...
I got in on this thread a little late, but would advise you to REALLY think about it BEFORE removing the drive plate and carb body. If it seems to be generally clean, you might be better leaving those parts together and just removing the needle valve assy and the venturi. From there, with the glowhead removed, you can flush it's innards with plenty of fresh fuel, followed by some light oil.
The .010 I got in my last Ebay buy had a totally loaded up/clogged spray ring that took some heat, flushing, and probing with a fine wire to dislodge some blobs of petrified fuel.
Be VERY careful screwing venturi/spray ring assy back into the carb body, as you can crack the body almost without knowing and give yourself an air leak that will cause erratic needle settings.
Just some of my thoughts...
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Re: Tee Dee 010, Wow
010s are fantastic!
Not really the size that impresses me because I have quite a few that are smaller but more the way that they were produced to such a high standard in such numbers!
All of the other small IC engines were made in far smaller numbers, although the Bambi is mass produced and smaller than the .010 it was not produced in anywhere near as high numbers as the little tee dee.
Not really the size that impresses me because I have quite a few that are smaller but more the way that they were produced to such a high standard in such numbers!
All of the other small IC engines were made in far smaller numbers, although the Bambi is mass produced and smaller than the .010 it was not produced in anywhere near as high numbers as the little tee dee.
Re: Tee Dee 010, Wow
Thanks Nitro where and how much a Bambi
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ebeneezer wrote:Thanks Nitro where and how much a Bambi
Hi, the Bambi was last made in around 1959 (although before going bust int he 80's DC did produce prototypes for a possible second run of production, the second run never came to be as the company went bust shortly after, but in the 90's VA made some replicas called the Bamby there wrere the first and second versions I was lucky enough to get one ot the first edition ones and it was great, may say better than the original.) and they can be found only really on eBay or swapmeets/specialized auctions or sales, occasionally one will pop up on a forum classified or somewhere but not often.
They pull way more £££ than the coxes you will rarely see a Bambi sell for less than £150 in rough condition, pristine examples fetch in excess of £250.
This is really the story for most small diesels some would require FAR more money and searching like the AH .1cc special or DG mills .075cc.
The most common little diesels are the bambis and AEs.
The only engines I am aware of around this size being made are the Valentines but they aren't cheap although they are fantastic engines ad made from the absolutely TINY nano bee at 0.006cc and weighing only 1gram to the standard 0.098cc ones.
The nano bee can't be found on his site but most of the other ones can.
http://www.ronald-valentine-engines.com/
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Re: Tee Dee 010, Wow
ebeneezer wrote:Thanks Nitro where and how much a Bambi
The Bambi was an .009 diesel. I understand that some did not run well.
I think it went out of production in the late fifties.
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Re: Tee Dee 010, Wow
Thanks, I fancy one, but having limited funds I'll stick with my Fantastic Tee Dee 010, but keep my eyes open for one.
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Re: Tee Dee 010, Wow
They ran as well as any small diesel but small diesels generally don't THAT well when compared to larger engines, also many people bought them or gave them to their children as their first engine, the Bambi is not a great beginner engine.gcb wrote:ebeneezer wrote:Thanks Nitro where and how much a Bambi
The Bambi was an .009 diesel. I understand that some did not run well.
I think it went out of production in the late fifties.
George
Re: Tee Dee 010, Wow
The glow should be just as bright as the other cOx glows
Ebz. In my experience they seem to get marginal fairly
Quickly. Stick a new plug on and it'll fire straight away
Particularly if using a starter spring.
Again, in my experience the manuals needle (4 turns) settings
Are based on 15(ish) percent nitro, when I run 30% the needle
Is 6/6.5 out.
Good Luck
Ebz. In my experience they seem to get marginal fairly
Quickly. Stick a new plug on and it'll fire straight away
Particularly if using a starter spring.
Again, in my experience the manuals needle (4 turns) settings
Are based on 15(ish) percent nitro, when I run 30% the needle
Is 6/6.5 out.
Good Luck
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