If you fly .020 c/l....

I have a few .020 CL models. A Swordsman 18, Larry Scarinzi Queen Bee and a Wee One. They work with the pickup mounted outboard but the run is incredibly short. Drilling a hole in the tank and using a external tank yields far better runs and length of time. Ken

Well, rat's butt! Should've asked yesterday morning!!
My tank is drilled for a f/f eye dropper tank and I just ordered new tank kits to convert back with JB Welded hole.
Oh, well "Prior planning....." and all.

But thanks much Ken, and what size tank gives 2-3 min run time?
I don't suppose any Pee Wee .020 plane will do more than laps, right?

My Queen Bee and Wee One are totally maneuverable. They're very fast which makes it a bit harder, but essentially no maneuver is impossible to do. The .020 planes need to be very light. I cover them with Jap tissue one coat of thinned clear dope. I don't go heavy on the dope at that. I usually attach the tissue with thinned white glue.I have used glue stick to install the tissue as well. The Wee One is a full bodied stunter which optimized a TD .010. I just used the Pee Wee. I can't recall my run times, I fly these once or twice a year usually at our fun fly events at our club. Typically, I'm enjoying them so much and watching my son fly them that I never paid much mind to the run time.

Thanks again, Ken - couldn't find anything on the Queen Bee but I found the Wee One plan and it's a cutie.
That should do fine if I decide to try .020 stunt.

http://www.eicnetwork.com/eic/Plans_files/Gueen%20Bee.pdf         A Larry Scarinzi Bipe Instead of wire struts between the wings, I used 1/32" ply it made assembling easier.

OK, another cutie!
Thanks one more time, Ken!

I designed and built one of these for my Pee Wee 0.020. About 40 years ago. I recall that it flew ok and on 8' lines (maybe 10'?) you don't want too long of an engine run anyway.
Will post a picture if I can find it somewhere.

I'd enjoy seeing that, Jim.

wha-tah-hey wrote:I'd enjoy seeing that, Jim.

I was able to find this abandoned in an old boathouse. Probably somewhere between 45 and 50 years old. Built with Ambroid, silk and dope. And yes, it flew! Maybe repost with an engine on it later. Do you think I included enough ribs?

I think that's just BEAUTIFUL, Jim! Gotta be a treasure.
What? No half ribs??
Amazing that the silk is (mostly) intact! What's the span?

The plane is 16" span and about 6" chord. Besides the leading and trailing edges, I vaguely recall using a number of 1/16" square balsa strips as "spars"; material likely left over from one of my Guillows kits.
I used to fly my creations in the front yard of my parents house, a tiny lot with a telephone pole I would have to dodge. Hence the short lines I mentioned earlier.

I first saw the Pee Wee engine when it came out in 1958 and just adored it.

Nearly 60 years later I still do!

Looks like at least 3 spars. Thanks for sharing the picture, Jim, it brings back memories of my last c/l flights before a 35+ year hiatus.
I built a 1/2A Lil Satan/Babe Bee in '68, took it to a local flying site, put up several flights (just laps) before crashing.
I removed the engine and gave it a Viking funeral there on the tarmac.
Arguably my most memorable flying experience.
I don't have anything from those days - my brother and I gave our trunkful of model airplane stuff to a young fellow in Nashville who grew up to own (among other businesses) a very nice model airplane-only hobby shop (if mostly R/C) there. He's since sold the shop to a decidedly c/l-unfriendly a**hole.
I like to think we planted the seed of his interest.

That is pretty cool Jim , and has the right amount of ribs too , i guess all that boat water kept the silk from drying all the way out Seems i have seen one of those before but cant recall who had it ? / was it from kit or did you scale down ?

Here's a link to a micro ringmaster that was done by one of our members that you might like ... https://www.coxengineforum.com/t9173-micro-ringmaster-plans?highlight=micro+ringmaster

getback wrote:That is pretty cool Jim , and has the right amount of ribs too , i guess all that boat water kept the silk from drying all the way out Seems i have seen one of those before but cant recall who had it ? / was it from kit or did you scale down ?  

Oh, it's my own original design although I had built a Little Satan some years previously. I figured no reason that an 0.020 couldn't power a stunt plane. I think I had the cylinder mounted sidewinder style. I'll bring it home tonight and plunk an engine onto it just so you can see what it looked like in its heyday.