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Does this book interest anyone?
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Re: Does this book interest anyone?
Hi Kim,
Back in our Cox (pre-High school) days, the girls were easily just as good flyers. They just rode girl Mustang bikes.
Natural, at getting the crowd control of the younger kids that got in our way.
We had boyfriend/girlfriends, before we knew what that it was all about.
As far as I know, no one got pregnant flying Cox.049s here...
Bell bottom pants, and Disco distanced us...
Hi gg,
I have read both Laumer/Thornburg books.
Model airplane philosiphy to me. I returned the borrowed books.
I loaned out my 'Andy Lennon, Model Airplane Design' book and did not get it back.
I have a well used Martin Simons 'Model Aircraft Aerodynamics' book to trade...
Take care,
Have fun,
Dave
Back in our Cox (pre-High school) days, the girls were easily just as good flyers. They just rode girl Mustang bikes.
Natural, at getting the crowd control of the younger kids that got in our way.
We had boyfriend/girlfriends, before we knew what that it was all about.
As far as I know, no one got pregnant flying Cox.049s here...
Bell bottom pants, and Disco distanced us...
Hi gg,
I have read both Laumer/Thornburg books.
Model airplane philosiphy to me. I returned the borrowed books.
I loaned out my 'Andy Lennon, Model Airplane Design' book and did not get it back.
I have a well used Martin Simons 'Model Aircraft Aerodynamics' book to trade...
Take care,
Have fun,
Dave
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Re: Does this book interest anyone?
I dunno Kim, in irony, all my planes eventually succumb to a Buster Scruggs end. (Figure-9 )Kim wrote:I owe it all to Buster!!!
Finished 6th grade in Biloxi, MS. Summer, moved to Hawaii. Started 7th grade at the Intermediate School (now called "Mid"). Valentines Day, brought all the girls in my homeroom class, valentine cards. This was a school in rural Hawaii, heavily Polynesian - Hawaiian, Samoan, Tongan, Maori, Fijian with Chinese, Guamanian, Japanese (Okinawan), Portuguese, Filipino, and etc.HalfaDave wrote:Hi Kim, Back in our Cox (pre-High school) days, the girls were easily just as good flyers. They just rode girl Mustang bikes. Natural, at getting the crowd control of the younger kids that got in our way. We had boyfriend/girlfriends, before we knew what that it was all about. As far as I know, no one got pregnant flying Cox.049s here... Bell bottom pants, and Disco distanced us...
Little did I know that they did not do this tradition there. I had them in my leather brief case given by my mother. I didn't know that as such, I was a nerd. Felt so embarrassed because there was not card exchange like in Biloxi. Later, one of the girls asked me if I had a card for her. I was so embarrassed that I said "no". If I knew better, I should have said, "sure". (Hindsight is 20-20. )
Dave, it is never too late to recoup, book is still available through on-line stores, example:HalfaDave wrote:Hi gg, I have read both Laumer/Thornburg books. Model airplane philosiphy to me. I returned the borrowed books.
I loaned out my 'Andy Lennon, Model Airplane Design' book and did not get it back. I have a well used Martin Simons 'Model Aircraft Aerodynamics' book to trade...
Biblio.com search: author="Andy Lennon" title="Model Airplane Design"
Of course if you do the search from your locale, it would be in CA and with CA shipping.
RC Universe post: https://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/12763109-post11207.html
showed this book, which I also used to check out when available at a library.
Photo posted by FlyerInOKC, R/C Universe.
Found a used one at a reasonable price and placed an order for it today. I thought it interesting that H.R. Warring (UK), known for his pre-Peter Chinn engine reviews, would show a drawing of the 20-in. (508 mm) Ken Willard (US) designed Roaring 20 single channel aircraft, that a number of us here including myself have built and flown.
My Cox .020 Pee Wee powered Roaring 20 from 1973.
That goes to show that also supported by the fact that CEF is an International community, that country borders are no obstacle to the universally understood language of model aircraft and other modeling modes of transportation. This is the same language we all speak.
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Hi gg,
Thanks very much for the Andy Lennon link ! Appreciated !
I will try to balance this laptop, while taking a poop...
I prefer hardbound books though !
Gr7 and 8 dances were a weird time in music.
One teacher put the latest Beatles etc, next one was like polkas. (I like polkas, don't get me wrong!)
Gail, (the first one to get a Swordsman inverted and upright and land around here) and I were dancing.
Not even close to puberty.
All dressed up, turning on the dance floor, talking about everything. Else.
Miles apart now, we are still friends. To this day.
Hope you like this story, (Cox engines were involved)
Take care,
Have fun,
Dave
Thanks very much for the Andy Lennon link ! Appreciated !
I will try to balance this laptop, while taking a poop...
I prefer hardbound books though !
Gr7 and 8 dances were a weird time in music.
One teacher put the latest Beatles etc, next one was like polkas. (I like polkas, don't get me wrong!)
Gail, (the first one to get a Swordsman inverted and upright and land around here) and I were dancing.
Not even close to puberty.
All dressed up, turning on the dance floor, talking about everything. Else.
Miles apart now, we are still friends. To this day.
Hope you like this story, (Cox engines were involved)
Take care,
Have fun,
Dave
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Re: Does this book interest anyone?
I remember this thread. I probably should've bought that Keith Laumer book when I saw it. I too prefer having a physical copy.
Way too much information.
HalfaDave wrote:I will try to balance this laptop, while taking a poop...
Way too much information.
Re: Does this book interest anyone?
I should have bought it then too. When you started this thread they were cheap. But, although I paid a little more, still considering everything, got what I wanted.Admin wrote:I remember this thread. I probably should've bought that Keith Laumer book when I saw it. I too prefer having a physical copy.
Admin wrote:Way too much information.HalfaDave wrote:I will try to balance this laptop, while taking a poop...
Yup,
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The book came in a week ago. Book shows suggested retail $1.45, it has a Revco price sticker of $0.49. Revco was a chain of drugstores in Ohio, probably since long gone. After tax and shipping, I paid a touch under $26.00 for it, quite a difference between then and now. (Scads of copies were sold back then, but is rare to find, now.) Given inflation, book would have retailed for about $14.00 today.
Inside, says copyright 1965, 1966, so it was then or some time after it sold. It is the size of a standard paperback book, paper is halfway between newsprint and white bond. Published by ARC Books of New York, 168 pages, got a lot of neat illustrations, even shows a mislabeled as .049, Cox Sportsman .15 pen and ink 3D drawn to mimic a photo. I don't think Cox made that reed valve engine in a smaller size. Later I'll share additional photos from it.
Inside, says copyright 1965, 1966, so it was then or some time after it sold. It is the size of a standard paperback book, paper is halfway between newsprint and white bond. Published by ARC Books of New York, 168 pages, got a lot of neat illustrations, even shows a mislabeled as .049, Cox Sportsman .15 pen and ink 3D drawn to mimic a photo. I don't think Cox made that reed valve engine in a smaller size. Later I'll share additional photos from it.
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I love the forwards and introduction inside the late Keith Laumer's 1970 edition, How to Design and Build Flying Models book.
Preface to the Revised Edition
In the ten years since the publication of the first edition of this book the world has changed more than it has in any decade since the dawn of history. Social orders have toppled; regimes have risen and fallen; international balances have swung; man has reached the moon. But interest in modeling among people of all ages and nationalities and political persuasions has continued unabated. Black and white, old and young, male and female modelers continue to whittle balsa and tease cranky engines to life, to rise at dawn to gather at the flying field, to labor far into the night over the newest project. The field of international model competition is one of the few in which Soviets and Americans have engaged in friendly rivalry, unmarred by accusations of foul play.
There have been changes in modeling, of course. Rocketry has lured away a few devotees more interested in brute power and outer space than in the delicate balances of airborne flight. Radio control equipment has become increasingly sophisticated, efficient, and inexpensive. And the plastics industry has contributed marvels in new materials.
But the basic urge to create a graceful structure capable of winging off into the high blue sky on its own power remains unchanged. The satisfactions of craftsmanship, the companionships of the flying field, the excitement of experimentation, and the challenge of competition still intrigue the active mind.
Youngsters who read the first edition when it appeared have now completed high school and college, and have gone on to found careers in many fields - including aeronautics and space research. Who knows what wonders will be seen - and performed - by those who now greet the second edition? Perhaps future editions will include chapters on "How to Fly in a Null-G Field," or "Modeling on the Moon." But whatever changes take place in man’s habitat, wherever he explores in the universe, the urges that made him build and fly will go with him.KEITH LAUMER
Brooksville, Florida
1970
Introduction
For several generations, the building (and flying) of model airplanes has been a most popular hobby with the American boy. Almost from the time of the Wright brothers’ first flight at Kitty Hawk, model airplane clubs, manufacturers of kits and supplies, and even books about this scientific hobby have existed. A great many books have been published but, unfortunately, progress has been so swift up to now, that virtually all of these books are as outdated as the trolley car. Now that hobby shops number in the thousands, and model airplane items are found in countless stores of many kinds, the need is greater than ever for a truly useful book to help the beginner get started and to assist the active hobbyist improve his skills.
How to Design and Build Flying Models is such a book.
The listing of chapters indicates a rare perception of the problems besetting the would-be modeler. A bewildering variety of models attract: ready-to-fly plastic items, built-up balsa-wood designs, gliders, powered planes, free-flying jobs, types that fly captive on the end of control wires, even radio-control miniature aircraft (for the "graduate" hobbyist) capable of any stunt known to full-scale designs. Where should one begin in this wonderland? Chapter 1, "What Shall I Build?" points the way. Other chapters develop the picture most logically: Materials; Engines, Accessories and Gimmicks; Equipping the Shop; then follow precise discussions about Building Your Model, Covering and Finishing, Getting Aloft, and so on.
This book does more than update the techniques of this hobby-sport. Showing a sensitive awareness of what the hobby really is all about, it goes beyond the basic areas of information with badly needed pointers, as for example, the chapter "Rebuilding a Wreck." Everyone knows that any flying machine, especially a fragile model airplane, will be damaged on occasion. But who has ever told us how to repair, or to make good as new again, a broken aircraft? Experts take this for granted; why not share this knowledge with the tyro? This Mr. Laumer has done.
Or what book ever considered how to make a landing gear retractable? Many modern big planes retract or fold-in their landing gears. Many a builder of flying scale-type models has wondered how this feature can be introduced in his handiwork. The author shows many ways in which this can be done.
Having accomplished its task of providing a comprehensive run-down of a complex hobby, this book soars to still greater heights. Roughly speaking, flying models fall into two categories: free-flight and control-line. Special chapters detail attractive sport projects in both these areas.
Nor was the author content to rest upon the how-to-do-it aspects of the hobby. His well-rounded analysis of the field is capped by the chapter "Designing Your Own." The great failing of the hobby, as it is practiced by millions of men, boys (and girls!) today, is the withering away of resourceful initiative, a natural result of the trend to prefabrication, ready-to-use items, and things that require little or no basic know-how.
The modern hobby overlaps more and more with the toy field. If model planes are to remain more than toys, keeping traditional values of training and worthwhile accomplishment, it becomes highly important to understand why and how a plane flies. For a model-plane builder not to have this understanding would be like a doctor lacking the ability to diagnose his patients’ complaints. Unthinkable!
Assisting the builder who would know why, and how, a lengthy index and glossary renders an invaluable assist.WILLIAM WINTER
Publisher, American Aircraft Modeler
Foreword to the British Edition
All that my good friend Bill Winter has written in his introduction to the original American edition of this book has equal application in Europe. Just as in the U.S.A. the hobby and model shops of Britain support a very keen following for the admirable pursuit of aeromodelling. There is also a distinct need for this purposeful book with its skilful approach to the problems of the self-taught enthusiast.
Keith Laumer spent several years in London, and his gifted talent for breaking the most obvious point of instruction down to simple understandable terms was quickly appreciated by readers of Aeromodeller. Keith contributed a complete beginner course of model designs ranging from a solid balsa wood glider to a three foot span acrobatic control-line model, which are still among the most popular full-size plans available. *[See list on page 211]
In so doing, this quiet American made a deep impression on the established model fraternity in Britain. He introduced some more of that "know-how" for which his fellow countrymen are famous and the characteristic line of his designs became accepted as new shapes among hitherto traditional outlines. But it was not a "one-way" trade, and the dozen chapters which follow serve to illustrate how much Keith Laumer’s association with British aero-modellers stimulated his own appreciation of what was needed in this book.
In fact, Keith may well have written his piece on "Getting aloft" or "Rebuilding a wreck" after a weekend at a London model flying club field instead at his home in Florida.
Apart from vital references, little is changed in this edition from the original American. Modellers have a universal understanding which permits them to follow that a "ship" is an aeroplane, a "shop" is a workshop, "gas" is petrol and "endurance" means duration. To alter these expressions would diminish the atmosphere Keith has created, that of the maestro imparting his wisdom with not a word wasted on the way.
Read on - and enjoy this introduction to the satisfaction of craftsmanship, the companionship of the flying field, the excitement of experiment and the challenge of competition.RON MOULTON
Managing Editor, Aeromodeller
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I like the colorful and enthusiastic description Laumer gives to building and flying models…Going thru the book, It’s still viable today, Especially for those that like building with traditional materials….
For Bill Winter to give it high marks carried a good bit of weight…. I enjoyed reading his articles and editorials in magazines…. Bill was a big fan of single channel and published a good bit on it…. Here’s a page he wrote in one of those AHC booklets you might enjoy…
For Bill Winter to give it high marks carried a good bit of weight…. I enjoyed reading his articles and editorials in magazines…. Bill was a big fan of single channel and published a good bit on it…. Here’s a page he wrote in one of those AHC booklets you might enjoy…
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Robert, having started single channel rudder only flying in late Winter 1973 on the east coast, first on the Cox .020 Pee Wee, then Cox .049 Golden Bee, OS Max .10R/C, Cox .049 R/C Bee, then on to others, I have a great appreciation for the writings of the late William "Bill" Winter and for single channel flying.
One learns a lot in how to build, finish and adjust them, make them successfully fly. Those who have never seen rudder only flying will be amazed at how much control one has with only one control.
So, I don't know about others, but I certainly appreciate your posting Bill Winter's article on his then high performance sport rudder only plane, the Crackerjack.
One learns a lot in how to build, finish and adjust them, make them successfully fly. Those who have never seen rudder only flying will be amazed at how much control one has with only one control.
So, I don't know about others, but I certainly appreciate your posting Bill Winter's article on his then high performance sport rudder only plane, the Crackerjack.
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You bet George, I find it interesting to read over the different trims for single channel depending on what the pilot wants from it….Winter has several construction articles in OZ on single channel designs that are fun to read ….. Laumer’s articles are fun too…. Very descriptive on his flights ….
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An interesting topic in the 1950's was rudder only pylon R/C. With the right type of trim, one can do this.rdw777 wrote:You bet George, I find it interesting to read over the different trims for single channel depending on what the pilot wants from it….Winter has several construction articles in OZ on single channel designs that are fun to read ….. Laumer’s articles are fun too…. Very descriptive on his flights ….
Once properly trimmed, I found that one could stunt just as the Ace R/C instructions illustrated, that came with my first R/C system I purchased in either December of 1972 or January in 1973. (It was strictly pulse rudder only with an Adams Baby twin actuator suitable for .020 rudder planes.)
To handle a windy day to 15 MPH winds, I shimmed the 27 inch (685 mm) span R/C Schoolboy (Top Flite kit designed by Ken Willard - solid sheet balsa design, wings covered with 1/20th in. (1.3 mm) sheet balsa - I finished with several coats clear dope and trimmed in orange dope) wing, found about a 3/32 inch wedge on the trailing edge of the wing would work.
It then did not climb as drammatically, but I was still flying. Making gentle turns helped to hold altitude. Didn't do stunts but still was flying.
After I busted up and repaired the airplane many times learning, my second plane was Willard's Roaring 20. At 20 in. (510 mm) wingspan, it resembled a downsized Top Dawg. Under .020 Pee Wee power, it was even a greater blast. It was faster in flight than the Schoolboy and would do many of the rudder only stunts in the book, truly a joy to fly.
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I just found on Hip Pocket Aeronautics a downloadable 63 page scanned to PDF book, Bill Dean's Book of Balsa Models by Bill Dean, 1970. (Forum membership is free. Access to their plans downloads requires another log-in - free.)
http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_plans/details.php?image_id=13271 Balsa Models by Bill Dean 1970 new
It also gives where obtained with downloadable PDF link:
https://www.gruppofalchi.com/files/1970-142-1970-Balsa_Models_Bill_Dean.pdf
One can use this link if they don't want to join Hip Pocket. I recommend you join anyway, as they have a lot of good modelling folk on the forum and they have a lot of good plans to download.
I downloaded both, they both seem to be the same file.
Here are the models he has plans and instructions inside the book for.
With a little ingenuity, you might be able to adapt some of these designs to Cox engine power.
http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_plans/details.php?image_id=13271 Balsa Models by Bill Dean 1970 new
It also gives where obtained with downloadable PDF link:
https://www.gruppofalchi.com/files/1970-142-1970-Balsa_Models_Bill_Dean.pdf
One can use this link if they don't want to join Hip Pocket. I recommend you join anyway, as they have a lot of good modelling folk on the forum and they have a lot of good plans to download.
I downloaded both, they both seem to be the same file.
Here are the models he has plans and instructions inside the book for.
With a little ingenuity, you might be able to adapt some of these designs to Cox engine power.
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Dean is another good designer and writer George…. Enjoyed going thru his book…Simple projects but enjoyable with a little Jetex thrown in for excitement ….and even a couple of boats!!!……When I was traveling a lot for work I had access to a large open park…I built his “Spook” flying wing glider and converted it to catapult launch for flying in the park…It still hangs in my shop…
Some more Laumer stuff…..A sketch by Herb Clukey with several of Laumer’s designs on one page…. Hand drawn I’m sure, Neat little art work….Found online… I used to have the magazine this was in, I think Model Aviation
Some more Laumer stuff…..A sketch by Herb Clukey with several of Laumer’s designs on one page…. Hand drawn I’m sure, Neat little art work….Found online… I used to have the magazine this was in, I think Model Aviation
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