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Cox Engine of The Month
Bee & Sure Start Mounts
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Bee & Sure Start Mounts
This all started from an idea supplied by Roddie.
Hi Ian, I thought you might be up for a 3D printer idea that would involve designing an engine-mount for the Cox Sure-Start .049 with the choke-tube back-plate? I don't have any of these.. but Bernie sells them. They allow you to choke the venturi of the reed-valve engine for starting... but have an obtrusive "tube" protruding from the back, making it necessary to modify/build a firewall with a slot for the tube.
I got the idea from a recent CEF thread showing a photo of a limited-production "tank-back" mount that Cox used on a very few models. The tank is not important.. as it is impractical for stunt. It's the mount itself; that I think many people would be interested in having.. if one was available. I assume it would be a quick design/print? I suppose you would need the dimensions of the choke-tube along with the mount-hole pattern, to make one. If I had one, I'd measure it for you.
Here's the thread that gave me the idea
https://www.coxengineforum.com/t6517-can-you-identify-this-sure-start-fuel-tank#82174
I had been making mounts for my electric motors - mainly to assist in balancing the plane without adding any additional weight. Starting off with the motor too far forward and then gradually trimming the mount and moving the motor backwards. (Of course this only works if your plane is tail heavy).
So why not apply this to other radially mounted engines? Particularly ones were the choke and carb dooberries are at the rear.
Anyway, thanks to Roddies suggestion
The Bee mount may look thin but it is very strong and flexible. Even stronger when the threaded rod (in this instance M2) is installed.
The Sure Start has 6BA screws. The mounts are printed with a 1/16" guide hole for drilling out.
Hi Ian, I thought you might be up for a 3D printer idea that would involve designing an engine-mount for the Cox Sure-Start .049 with the choke-tube back-plate? I don't have any of these.. but Bernie sells them. They allow you to choke the venturi of the reed-valve engine for starting... but have an obtrusive "tube" protruding from the back, making it necessary to modify/build a firewall with a slot for the tube.
I got the idea from a recent CEF thread showing a photo of a limited-production "tank-back" mount that Cox used on a very few models. The tank is not important.. as it is impractical for stunt. It's the mount itself; that I think many people would be interested in having.. if one was available. I assume it would be a quick design/print? I suppose you would need the dimensions of the choke-tube along with the mount-hole pattern, to make one. If I had one, I'd measure it for you.
Here's the thread that gave me the idea
https://www.coxengineforum.com/t6517-can-you-identify-this-sure-start-fuel-tank#82174
I had been making mounts for my electric motors - mainly to assist in balancing the plane without adding any additional weight. Starting off with the motor too far forward and then gradually trimming the mount and moving the motor backwards. (Of course this only works if your plane is tail heavy).
So why not apply this to other radially mounted engines? Particularly ones were the choke and carb dooberries are at the rear.
Anyway, thanks to Roddies suggestion
The Bee mount may look thin but it is very strong and flexible. Even stronger when the threaded rod (in this instance M2) is installed.
The Sure Start has 6BA screws. The mounts are printed with a 1/16" guide hole for drilling out.
ian1954- Diamond Member
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Re: Bee & Sure Start Mounts
I didn't want to comment... but the mount-extension's screws should have "heads" and be installed through the rear.. and be countersunk into the mount. (to make it "flush" on the backside) The mount needs to have four "ears" added for attachment to the model's firewall... unless in the case of a built-up fuselage. But it would still be difficult to install nuts/washers from the inside of the fuse.
Just an observation Ian... Thanks for giving me credit for the concept.
Just an observation Ian... Thanks for giving me credit for the concept.
Re: Bee & Sure Start Mounts
Hi Roddie,
I think I understand what you mean but I think you are viewing the mounts as mounts that have independant fastenings to the firewall.
I always like to simplify things and be able to make adjustments on the fly.
The fastenings I used for the pictures were intended to show the mounts fastened to the engine. So I can see that looking at the nuts you would appreciate the difficulty using these to mount the assembly.
However, in the forewall, I use captive T nuts and epoxy them in. They are positionsed to match the engin mounts. A bit like this, except in this example I didn't think that the firewall was thick (or strong) enough so I spread the load.
Then the motor is mounted and bolted straight through.
I also use spring washers and threadlock where necessary.
This one is more deceiving
This plane was intended for a .39 IC engine and so shows four additional fastenings (also T nutted) - they were intended to take the engine bearers for the IC engine and so I built the mount to uses these as well as the straight through fastening. A bit of overkill - eight M3.5 fastenings!
This was also locked in place with threadlock, spring washers and lock nuts using threaded rod.
So, I tend to set the firewall so that it can take the engine directly and then use the mount to extend the engine using the same holes (with T nuts behind).
The mount is then the same size as the backplate and not larger - no ears. Otherwise the firewall may have to be enlarged.
I hope all this makes sense.
I think I understand what you mean but I think you are viewing the mounts as mounts that have independant fastenings to the firewall.
I always like to simplify things and be able to make adjustments on the fly.
The fastenings I used for the pictures were intended to show the mounts fastened to the engine. So I can see that looking at the nuts you would appreciate the difficulty using these to mount the assembly.
However, in the forewall, I use captive T nuts and epoxy them in. They are positionsed to match the engin mounts. A bit like this, except in this example I didn't think that the firewall was thick (or strong) enough so I spread the load.
Then the motor is mounted and bolted straight through.
I also use spring washers and threadlock where necessary.
This one is more deceiving
This plane was intended for a .39 IC engine and so shows four additional fastenings (also T nutted) - they were intended to take the engine bearers for the IC engine and so I built the mount to uses these as well as the straight through fastening. A bit of overkill - eight M3.5 fastenings!
This was also locked in place with threadlock, spring washers and lock nuts using threaded rod.
So, I tend to set the firewall so that it can take the engine directly and then use the mount to extend the engine using the same holes (with T nuts behind).
The mount is then the same size as the backplate and not larger - no ears. Otherwise the firewall may have to be enlarged.
I hope all this makes sense.
ian1954- Diamond Member
- Posts : 2688
Join date : 2011-11-16
Age : 70
Location : England
Re: Bee & Sure Start Mounts
Yes, that makes perfect sense Ian. Seeing the mounts set-up on your models, makes it a lot more clear. They look really good.
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