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Post  tru168 Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:41 am

hi all,

I'm building a 1/2a cessna 152 kit from web below:
http://www.thaiscalemodel.com/en/cessna-152.htm
for my local write up and also teach children to fly program.

In my previous post regarding AME engine in others engine section, I have throttle problem with RC AME 061 , unless I used smaller prop with pressurized fuel system , I might just keep that engine for others purpose.
I'm planning to use a Cox dragonfly which I keep it for years, new in box.
The instructions in the kit mentioned any cox or Sure Start with 6X3 or 6X4 , anything around 12,000 rpm will suitable for this kit.

the spec as below:

- Wingspan 39 in.
- Fuselage length 25 in.
- Wing load 11 oz./sq. ft.
- 4 Channel radio system driving 5 mini servos
- Steerable Nose wheel
- Flying weight with fuel 515 grams
- .049 COX engine
- Fuel tank capacity 25 C.C. (Nitro 10%)
- Propeller + Spinner 6 x 3 Power output approximate 12,000 rpm
- Fight Time 12 mins
- Building time 12-16 hours
- Price 59 USD (Engine, power system and shipping not included)

I think that 6X3 at 12000rpm just a little under powered, and might not suitable for training program. (It might not powerful enough to correct small amount of mistake stick inputs.)  
quick search on google and I found no info about Cox dragonfly output rpm.
I don't want to waste my NIB dragonfly unless it really suit this plane nicely. anyone used Dragonfly before? what is the output power in rpm it can reach? I've seen old ads about cox dragonfly and they advertised as "the most powerful reed engine " here :
https://www.coxengineforum.com/t1829p20-what-is-the-most-powerful-cox-049

but I can't see what so special about the dragonfly.
any other engines suggestion for my Cessna 152 please ?
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Post  Cribbs74 Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:32 pm

Your Nitro content is very low. I would go up to at least 20-25%. It could be what is causing your low power output. Also wouldn't hurt to put a 1702 head on it. If that doesn't get you where you want then go TD .049

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Post  tru168 Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:14 pm

Hi Ron,

 Thanks for suggestion.
I'm still building the kit, the listed flying conditions are just a manufacturer's suggestion, I don't know why they suggest 10% nitro fuel but maybe thats the minimum requirement they suggested.
I believe that most of Cox engine love a lot of nitro, anything lower than 15 % and it will not performing. 20% to 30% are common for good flying.

There's an exception in my case though, I have one weird older Cox production engine , which is non-booster port in its cylinder. Its from a plastic plane and never run. I put it on my computer desk for more than 10 years, when I'm free, I just like to flip its 3 blade prop several time, just for fun. until last year , I plan to test run it , and after 4 oz of 0% nitro, with 20% castor oil, ( I use FAI fuel for break in because thats the only fuel that contain castor by that time)
I purchased Sig Champion, It run smoothly on 10% Sig Champion fuel, at 13400 rpm using Master air screw 6 X 3.
I try to fuel it with any fuel that higher than 15% nitro and its RPM drop. I keep this little engine for further investigate. Someone say, older engines are different slighty, and capable of running at lower nitro. and some others say, this Cox engine that break in by using low nitro fuel , will "blueprint " its running condition into low nitro condition. I don't know, but just love this easy to start reedie.

Back to the topic, Its a shame that I I'm a Cox reedie engines user for the past 20 years, but never have any TD series, nor 020 , 010 etc.  Main reason is , back in 20 years ago, I can't find any other cox engine in my country, just basic U shape back plated engine.  I did purchase several others engine on ebay in recent years , might try to purchase some TD for future project.

 You did mentioned TD high comp. glow head. Thats a good idea, any idea how many RPM gain if you use TD hi comp. head on normal reedie?
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Post  Cribbs74 Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:10 pm

Tough to say on RPM gain as it's specific to the condition of the engine. All I can say is try it and see.

As to your RPM loss when adding nitro. You have to add a head gasket for every 10% of nitro. I bet your old bee was over compressed.

Cox tuning is a lot of trial and error. When I want an engine to run a certain way it takes me a week or so of fiddling before I happen on the right combination. Good luck and post back with your results and if you need more help
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Post  tru168 Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:45 pm

Hi Ron ,

As you said, I think the best answer will be experiment with it.

I owned several Cox reedie for the past 20 years, but I just flip it and fly , never care about how it perform , till recent years, and Several forums talk about Cox engine's performance and mod, drill out venturi, high comp head, etc.

I will try to add copper shim on my old reedie, you got the point there, it might be over compressed.

Thanks for the tips and will get back in here once I test it again.


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