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Post  batjac Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:08 pm

Well, I got dinged at my flying field for my TD .049 being too loud.  I can either start over with a new engine for the Cox Flight Challenge, or I can put a throttled muffler on the TD I have.  I see that Bernie is out of stock on the Dragonfly muffler/throttle rings.  Has anyone any experience with these muffler/throttle rings from EX Model Engines?

http://www.exmodelengines.com/cox-.049-throttle-muffler.html

How much power/RPM loss does one of these give over the standard throttle sleeve?


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Post  Jason_WI Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:24 pm

That muffler was for a R/C Bee. I see it is out of stock as well. The silicone rubber collar tended to disintegrate with age and use. Not sure how many dB in noise reduction they provided.

That sucks about the noise issue at your field. Does your field have a muffler requirement or a noise restriction that you have to be under so many dB from x distance?

A Hiscott muffler would be the best for the TD. They are hard to find and somewhat pricey when you do find them.

You will see a performance drop with a muffler on a TD since the TD cylinder has SPI and it will pull in exhaust gas instead of fresh air through the SPI opening when a muffler is attached.
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Post  Cribbs74 Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:32 pm

Mark,

If you have a non SPI cylinder set you can put that in place of the TD one. Then your muffler won't kill the performance. You will lose some performance due to not having a TD cylinder,but not enough to make it unflyable.
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Post  WingingIt74 Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:35 pm

Are you looking for a throttled muffler or just a muffler? Yes, you will loose power and the head will be much hotter.

I'm surprised they are too loud.  When we flew the Quick-Stick yesterday, I thought it was quiet compared to some of Jeremy's electric pusher designs.
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Post  batjac Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:03 pm

The sound limit at my field is 98dB at 9 feet at 70 degrees off center using the field's sound meter.  I'm right at 100 dB on their meter.  I haven't dug mine out of wherever I have it, but it doesn't matter.  I have to go by the field meter.  The membership at the field is about 90-95 percent electric flyers, and they kind of look down on glow flyers.  Some flying these $1,000 electric jets with every option you could think of are somewhat snobbish.  I'm glad I can fly during the week instead of being stuck with flying on Saturdays with a lot of these guys.

Currently I just have an Ace throttle sleeve on the TD.  I just need something to drop the sound by a couple of dB.

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Post  WingingIt74 Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:48 pm

Ya, a muffler will do it.
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Post  Cox International Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:18 pm

These mufflers should fit:

http://coxengines.ca/cox-.049-muffler.html

and are scaleable to achieve the desired noise / power balance.
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Post  WingingIt74 Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:57 pm

Hurry Quick!!!!!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-COX-049-GTP-Car-Boat-RC-HEAT-SINK-Throttle-Muffler-/171060246513?pt=US_Radio_Control_Control_Line&hash=item27d3fc37f1
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Post  coxaddicted Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:28 am

Interesting! There is written, that the COX GTP Nissan has a Kyosho Chassis. I know that Cox and Kyosho had many joint ventures, but I allways thought the GTP Nissan is own development by Cox?
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Post  fredvon4 Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:06 am

If you can measure sound at home experiment with several different props to find the ONE that drops dB into a acceptable range when engine is at Max RPM. When you are getting tested at the field use that propeller. After you are accepted, use any prop you want, no one outside the circle can tell the difference

A LOT of the sound is from the propeller.....wink.... In my case (we have exact same field test and standards) a 5"x 3P leaned out TD .051 was too loud at 101 dB but a 6"x 4P (slightly rich, wink) was under at 95 dB

I am surprised the electric ducted fan and fun jet pushers screaming at 30,000~40,000 + RPM are able to pass the dB test at the field

I know I know I am advocating cheating the rule.....

I justify it in my case because the electrics also dominate our club field, they are intolerant of Glow engines and I never see a guy bragging about his nearing 200MPH FunJet tached up to 48,000 RPM get accosted by the field marshal for noise violation

The other thing that annoys me is our field is way out in the country, no houses within 2 miles, and the C/L temporary circle I eeked out of the property is 700 feet away from their runway and pilots boxes and 1000 feet from the spectator observation safety line.... What I am saying is, I could run my Rossi .45 with tuned pipe wide open (probably an easy 125dB) way over where I am and NOT bother a soul but the gliding Buzzards overhead
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Post  batjac Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:37 pm

Fred, I was thinking of doing the prop swap thing. I have a 5x3 on it now, and was thinking of trying a 6x3. But, I think I might have a 6x4 in the field box. I'm afraid I'm not surprised to hear that other guys have glow snobs at their fields. Disappointed a little, maybe. But not surprised. I don't know when the 1/2A flyers became lepers, but it was a dark time for R/C when it happened. What I'm kind of amazed at is how the new electric guys don't realize how the glow engines are the history and progenitors of what they are flying today. If it weren't for the stuff people learned by building light and flying the 1/2A stuff, the first electric park flyers wouldn't have been as successful. And if the first park flyers hadn't been successful, the larger electrics wouldn't have been successful. And if....


Bernie, I looked at that muffler, but I want to keep the throttle on this one.

WingingIt, I didn't see that before it sold. Ah, well!

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