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Cox Engine of The Month
Engine Paint
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Engine Paint
Hi Having been inspired by the engine of the month. A great looking engine and picture. I'm just wondering if it would possible to give my tatty PeeWee a custom paint job, using some sort of heat resistant paint. What sort of temperature are we looking at for a Peewee on full chat?
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ebeneezer- Gold Member
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Re: Engine Paint
Aluminum just doesn't take paint well. This is why anodizing is far superior. It actually grows out of the metal typically providing a harder surface than the metal itself. Powder coating would be superior to any paint on aluminum. The main problem with aluminum is the rate that it oxidizes. This is even problematic when trying to epoxy to it. Oxidation forms between the two layers which separates the bond between the two. Bead blasting with fine media would certainly enhance the adhesion of paint to the aluminum as it provides a sound area for the paint to bond onto. The next problem with paint would be it's fuel proofing qualities. High nitro fuels like the Pee Wee demands, is like paint thinner to most paints. If you do have a friend in the auto body business, coating with 2 part auto clear generally takes care of fuel degradation problems due to the alcohol and nitro. Many times auto clears however cross link to their base color coats. In other words, once the final color is placed on the product, you have a limited window of opportunity to spray the final clear usually within 24 hrs or the surface must be redone and scarified.
This is another reason that powdercoating is far superior to paints as the material is attached through electrolysis. It is also a very hard finish much harder than paint. The problem with powdercoating is trying to keep the areas you don't want coated uncoated. As seen on Bernie's site, the die cast cases are powdercoated as anodizing requires a mill finish with no imperfections to work correctly or it looks like hell. Die cast metal has poor characteristics and would require far too much work to clean up for the process and the base metal colors aren't always consistent. Ken
This is another reason that powdercoating is far superior to paints as the material is attached through electrolysis. It is also a very hard finish much harder than paint. The problem with powdercoating is trying to keep the areas you don't want coated uncoated. As seen on Bernie's site, the die cast cases are powdercoated as anodizing requires a mill finish with no imperfections to work correctly or it looks like hell. Die cast metal has poor characteristics and would require far too much work to clean up for the process and the base metal colors aren't always consistent. Ken
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Re: Engine Paint
Thanks for taking the time to respond Ken. Reading you response made realise how fanciful I was being. Being the tank is anodised red, will that take paimt? I want to tidy it. If not I'll settle for elbow grease and polish it.
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Re: Engine Paint
There are many different "paints" for aluminium and quite a few require an "etch" primer coat first.
It is, as Ken as said, more usual for applications like engines to adonise or powder coat.
Halfords stock a range of paints like:-
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_174093_langId_-1_categoryId_165495#tab3
but, again, these may me heat resistant and petrol proof but I doubt glow fuel and glow fuel residue resistant.
The paint is also an expensive purchase at £7.49. I would only be tempted to use some out of a "left over can" from another project.
Polishing is the cheapest.
Not much to chose between Peek and Solvol, but Peek doesen't seem as agressive a polish. I chop and change between the two and use 0000 steel wool and J cloths.
It is, as Ken as said, more usual for applications like engines to adonise or powder coat.
Halfords stock a range of paints like:-
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_174093_langId_-1_categoryId_165495#tab3
but, again, these may me heat resistant and petrol proof but I doubt glow fuel and glow fuel residue resistant.
The paint is also an expensive purchase at £7.49. I would only be tempted to use some out of a "left over can" from another project.
Polishing is the cheapest.
Not much to chose between Peek and Solvol, but Peek doesen't seem as agressive a polish. I chop and change between the two and use 0000 steel wool and J cloths.
ian1954- Diamond Member
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Re: Engine Paint
Anodizing small parts is really pretty easy once you get the process down it’s a just matter of setting everything up and clean up which takes the time. With a small set-up you can knock out a dozen parts in a afternoon. There’s a lot of info on anodizing out there.
Re: Engine Paint
Mark Boesen wrote:Anodizing small parts is really pretty easy once you get the process down it’s a just matter of setting everything up and clean up which takes the time. With a small set-up you can knock out a dozen parts in a afternoon. There’s a lot of info on anodizing out there.
I have seen pictures of adonising by Mark and it is excellent. One day I will ask him what the yellow dye is that he uses!
However, in the UK it is not cheap to set up and there are few places to purchase the necessary. If you are interested in pursuing adonising - go to this site:-
Gateros Plating The Specialists in Electroplating kits for the restorer
www.gaterosplating.co.uk
They will sometimes split the standard offerings into smaller quantities.
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Re: Engine Paint
Thanks Guys, food for thought.
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