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Can framework planes like this endure any punishment?
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Re: Can framework planes like this endure any punishment?
Longerons and stringers are terms used almost interchangeably. Think "long run" as in the sticks that run along the sides of a fuselage that support the covering. On wings they run spanwise to support the airframe, maintain the airfoil, and support covering.RknRusty wrote:What's a longeron? I've heard the word but don't know what it is.
Of course built-up structures are fragile. Some think planes should be built to fly, not to crash (watch that start a debate).
Using diagonals and gussets properly will enhance the structure considerably. Those have been in use for many, many years on rubber powered ships.
That's my story and I'm stickin' to it. :-)
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Re: Can framework planes like this endure any punishment?
Here's a pic that highlights stringers and longerons. This is a 1/4A plane, not really a good learner for R/C --- planes in the 4 foot span or more are more stable -- but, a good example of a built up fuselage. Notice the heavier wood in the thrust line and along the bottom of the fuselage. The stringers are inplace provide shape and support the covering.
Gussets, that George mentioned, provide one of the best means of adding strength to a stick fuselage with hardly any weight penalty.
BTW, I'm a "build to fly, not crash" guy. You can't put in enough sturcture to keep a plane from re-kitting, but built light enough, you can get a great flyer. There's a fella over at RCU who says, "If you don't fold a wing every once in a while, you're building too heavy." There's a lot to be said for that.
Gussets, that George mentioned, provide one of the best means of adding strength to a stick fuselage with hardly any weight penalty.
BTW, I'm a "build to fly, not crash" guy. You can't put in enough sturcture to keep a plane from re-kitting, but built light enough, you can get a great flyer. There's a fella over at RCU who says, "If you don't fold a wing every once in a while, you're building too heavy." There's a lot to be said for that.
Re: Can framework planes like this endure any punishment?
Of course built-up structures are fragile. Some think planes should be built to fly, not to crash (watch that start a debate).
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If crashing is incidental to flying I'm all for crashing. Stuff happens during enjoyable activities.
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Re: Can framework planes like this endure any punishment?
Planes that are built light will not stall as easily heavy ones and if you anyway manage to crash, the 1/2a sized ones will barely manage to reach the ground as they stop in the grass above it. I have had my share of dead sticks where I have been to far from the field, you simply land out of sight and go pick up the plane, fuel and take of again.
So there is no compromise to talk about, just build it to fly well and it will never crash.
So there is no compromise to talk about, just build it to fly well and it will never crash.
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Re: Can framework planes like this endure any punishment?
Rusty, You might check out Red Rheinhardt's Roger Dodger. Here's some info:RknRusty wrote: ...My main goal and purpose is a project I can build meticulously and maybe only fly occasionally. I'm interested in the building experience of a stick plane more than just throwing together another frequent flier. I want the satisfaction of building a complex structure and have it come out not only aesthetically pleasing but airworthy in every respect. In other words I'm testing my building skills with an interesting new medium, and hoping for a pleasing outcome.
Red’s first published design was the Roger Dodger, in the march 1950 Air Trails. An .049-
powered Stunt model for fun-flying rather than for serious competition, it combined lightweight
construction with the right aerodynamic layout for top performance.
1/2A engines were new at the time, and serious fliers considered them a novelty. With this
design, Red showed that the little engines were capable of full Stunt pattern performance – in the
right aircraft.
The Roger Dodger had a 23-inch wingspan, and the wing’s leading edge and two spars were 1/8
square balsa. Rather than being enclosed in the built-up wing, the bellcrank and lead outs were
positioned below the wing.
Power was an OK Cub .049, which put out very little power by today’s standards. The airplane
was flown on 15-foot thread lines.
Although Rodger Dodger is considered small by today’s fliers, I bet it would be a joy to fly if it
was scaled up and beefed up a bit, and used with today’s .049-.061 power plants.
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Re: Can framework planes like this endure any punishment?
Ran across a scan of the Roger Dodger. I believe the plans are available from AMA.
George
Forgot to mention...this was the first plane I built from plans. I scaled up the magazine plan one part at a time using the scale shown on the plans. This was mid fifties, no home computers, printers, or copiers. :-)
George
Forgot to mention...this was the first plane I built from plans. I scaled up the magazine plan one part at a time using the scale shown on the plans. This was mid fifties, no home computers, printers, or copiers. :-)
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Re: Can framework planes like this endure any punishment?
Got it. I found it in Model Aviation and bookmarked it. Thanks George.
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Re: Can framework planes like this endure any punishment?
Red Reinhardt's most famous plane was the El Diablo for a .35. It's gotta be one of the best Old time stunt plane's that I've ever seen. I alway's loved that plane.
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