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French airplane : Le PIAF
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French airplane : Le PIAF
Hello all,
Here's a short video of my newly build PIAF (very famous 1/2a french design). This is not the maiden but the second flight. Plane weight 400 g (14 oz).
The engine is a 60+ YO Babe Bee.
Vincent
Here's a short video of my newly build PIAF (very famous 1/2a french design). This is not the maiden but the second flight. Plane weight 400 g (14 oz).
The engine is a 60+ YO Babe Bee.
Vincent
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Re: French airplane : Le PIAF
cute model. Congratulations. I kept an eye on it since I found the plans in outerzone. in the rcgroup forum there is a thread of the construction of theat model that is very well explained.
nice model to use as a test bed for radios and engines.
again congratulations.
nice model to use as a test bed for radios and engines.
again congratulations.
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Re: French airplane : Le PIAF
nico010 wrote:cute model. Congratulations. I kept an eye on it since I found the plans in outerzone. in the rcgroup forum there is a thread of the construction of theat model that is very well explained.
nice model to use as a test bed for radios and engines.
again congratulations.
Thank you ! This one has the same color scheme as my first one (which was also my first successful RC airplane).
The design is very simple and straightfoward ; furthermore it dates back to 1979 and was conceived as a beginner's RC trainer, and thus was designed to handle standard radio gear from the seventies... there's plenty of room inside !
It's a very convenient test bed, you're right ! This one is the 7th I've build. I tryed it with many engines (Cox, MPJet, brushed direct drive, brushed geared, brushless outrunner).
I also look at the build log on RCGroup.
You can find a good plan here : http://clap54b.free.fr/RCavion/Piaf/piaf.htm .
Vincent
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Re: French airplane : Le PIAF
I hope I work as well as that Baby Bee when I'm 60! What prop do you have on there?
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Re: French airplane : Le PIAF
dirk gently wrote:I hope I work as well as that Baby Bee when I'm 60! What prop do you have on there?
I use a 6x3 cox propeller from Cox International.
Vincent
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Re: French airplane : Le PIAF
Looks like a good ole time flier , nice and stably Don't look hard to build either .
![RC Plane](/users/3015/29/34/60/smiles/1702820958.gif)
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Re: French airplane : Le PIAF
dckrsn wrote:Vincent, I wonder if the aircraft's name is a reference to "The Sparrow"?
I have always adored her voice.
Beautiful plane too.
Bob
Hello Bob,
"Piaf" is french slang for sparrow, but also any little bird of the same size.
I think there's nothing related to Edith (who was a very small lady, hence is nickname "La môme" (the kid) or "La môme Piaf"). Very difficult to explain all the underlying of this, as english is not my native langage. It's more a part of the after WW2 french culture.
Vincent
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Re: French airplane : Le PIAF
In case anyone wants to build another one: https://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=9214
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Re: French airplane : Le PIAF
dirk gently wrote:In case anyone wants to build another one: https://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=9214
I think this plan (click here) is more accurate to the designer idea : the airfoil has been changed (16% thickness).
Vincent
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Re: French airplane : Le PIAF
Thanks for the reply, Vincent.Grosvince wrote:dckrsn wrote:Vincent, I wonder if the aircraft's name is a reference to "The Sparrow"?
I have always adored her voice.
Beautiful plane too.
Bob
Hello Bob,
"Piaf" is french slang for sparrow, but also any little bird of the same size.
I think there's nothing related to Edith (who was a very small lady, hence is nickname "La môme" (the kid) or "La môme Piaf"). Very difficult to explain all the underlying of this, as english is not my native langage. It's more a part of the after WW2 french culture.
Vincent
Bob
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Re: French airplane : Le PIAF
Is the thickness/wing the only change in the plans? I am thinking about it but don't read french .Grosvince wrote:dirk gently wrote:In case anyone wants to build another one: https://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=9214
I think this plan (click here) is more accurate to the designer idea : the airfoil has been changed (16% thickness).
Vincent
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Re: French airplane : Le PIAF
getback wrote:
Is the thickness/wing the only change in the plans? I am thinking about it but don't read french .![]()
Hello
Sorry for the late answer...
Over the time there was many flavour of PIAFs. First was issued in February 79, in french "Modèle Magazine" magazine. The text stated it had taken 5 prototype to achieve the plane. At this time the plan was published directly in the paper, scaled down by 50%, on A3 format. The build log on RC Group is based on this plan, but the builder prefer to join wings with epoxy and glass fiber rather than the original plywood key.
Because of the huge success of the first plan, in 1982 an improved plan was drawn, with beginners in mind (a step by step build was drawn on the plan), which has taken into account builders feedbacks. The airfoil change at this point for the "PNSD116" (Patrick Nicolas Spécial Demi 16%) which was an airfoil design by Patrick Nicolas, the PIAF designer. This airfoil has 16% thickness, to reduce speed of 1/2 A planes without throttle control. The link I publishes is a CAD drawn plan but very accurate to the second blueprint.
Try a PIAF, you'll fall in love of this simple aircraft !
Vincent
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Re: French airplane : Le PIAF
Grosvince wrote:dckrsn wrote:Vincent, I wonder if the aircraft's name is a reference to "The Sparrow"?
I have always adored her voice.
Beautiful plane too.
Bob
Hello Bob,
"Piaf" is french slang for sparrow, but also any little bird of the same size.
I think there's nothing related to Edith (who was a very small lady, hence is nickname "La môme" (the kid) or "La môme Piaf"). Very difficult to explain all the underlying of this, as english is not my native langage. It's more a part of the after WW2 french culture.
Vincent
Bob (dckrsn) and I share many interests. This is another. If you know Edith you must also be familiar with Mireille Mathieu an Edith Piaf devotee. I have a lot of her albums (she sings in eleven languages) and one is exclusive Piaf - Chante (Sings) Piaf. Edith and Mireille shared a great voice, but also a small stature. Mireille is barely five feet tall.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Mireille+Mathieu+Abba&ru=%2fvideos%2fsearch%3fq%3dMireille%2bMathieu%2bAbba%26Form%3dVDRSCL%26%3d0&view=detail&mid=F15987AA5B00FA3FCAD4F15987AA5B00FA3FCAD4&rvsmid=A9B75EF9451961D0BF95A9B75EF9451961D0BF95&FORM=VDRVRV
![French airplane : Le PIAF P1010989](https://i.servimg.com/u/f43/19/15/28/33/p1010989.jpg)
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Re: French airplane : Le PIAF
Thanks Vincent , I will have to think it over some , got more projects coming At this time ,, Bob if i listen to her while building a airplane i would end up with a boat ,, Taste some of this And i have watched ALL the Fast and Furrest , LOL most in the theater too . So just go on shame me as children's
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Re: French airplane : Le PIAF
And i have watched ALL the Fast and Furrest , LOL most in the theater too . So just go on shame me as children's
![Smile](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_smile.gif)
I knew that comment would get under a lot of skins Eric......
and...........get me in a whole lot of trouble...........
Bob
BTW LR is a long time favorite of mine. I'll post comparios of MM and LR's "Blue Bayou" over on the music thread.
Bob if i listen to her while building a airplane i would end up with a boat
![Smile](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_smile.gif)
Ya gotta listen to the whole thing Eric, she get's into it half way through. Love it when she sings Angry!
Ok, so it's in French. After listening to her for the past 50 years, I'm practically fluent.![Smile](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_smile.gif)
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I knew that comment would get under a lot of skins Eric......
![lol!](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/lol.gif)
and...........get me in a whole lot of trouble...........
Bob
BTW LR is a long time favorite of mine. I'll post comparios of MM and LR's "Blue Bayou" over on the music thread.
Bob if i listen to her while building a airplane i would end up with a boat
![Smile](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_smile.gif)
![Smile](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_smile.gif)
Ya gotta listen to the whole thing Eric, she get's into it half way through. Love it when she sings Angry!
Ok, so it's in French. After listening to her for the past 50 years, I'm practically fluent.
![Smile](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_smile.gif)
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Re: French airplane : Le PIAF
You guys are totally funny !
MM don't have the same status as EP in France.
All in all, it's not my kind of music, not my generation.
Vincent
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MM don't have the same status as EP in France.
All in all, it's not my kind of music, not my generation.
Vincent
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