Gifts to a loner from the Lone Star State

balogh Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:47 pm

The whole thing started a couple weeks ago when I got a pm from Kim from South East Missouri, asking me about my postal address....I could not imagine why Kim was asking that, but I sent him my address details...I kinda forgot the whole interlude until a package from Texas was delivered to my door today...

Comradery...generosity...these are the words that came into my mind after I opened a surprise box and finally managed to make some sense.

It was just a few weeks ago that Kari in Finland gave account on a gift he had received from a fellow CEF member from Texas....and our fellow member, FredVon, just made my day today too:

Gifts to a loner from the Lone Star State Lonest11

Yes, apart from the Nelson turbo plugs (the short supply of which in my region we have just discussed here recently ) and a matching socket wrench, 1/2A competition props, aluminum engine mount for TD049, a C/L handle, and red COX rubber spinner +hub, this present also included a TD 051 (!) with Nelson plug conversion, a brand new 049 Russian Aero engine (!) and a new, F2A speed competition Fora engine (!), made in Ukraine with a head for Nelson plug!!

The TeeDee 051 features strong compression because it must have been used and maintained professionally. The Aero, which seems to be the predecessor of Norvel, reacts with a nice pinch at TDC when turned. The Fora, with a similar pinch, shows a sophisticated cylinder porting and a sumptuous aperture on its crankshaft doubling as the rotary valve, warning that this engine is not a toy but a competition beast..

Obviously the whole plot was engineered between Fred and Kim with the latter mysteriously asking for my postal address for Fred who was the generous sender of the gift taken from his own collection!!

Holy Cow(x), I cannot find the words, Fred!!..in this materialistic world where people tend to alienate from each other, we run a humble international website where geo- and historic boundaries are torn down and people from around the world are brought together by their shared obsession with a great hobby called COX, and exercise ultimate generosity, seldom seen nowadays!!.

Thank you Fred, and thank you Kim for being Fred's accomplice in this surprise hit!! It was exemplary and made me totally embarrassed and obliged!

Needless to say that I will look to giving the initial run to the Fora engine that I have never had before...I hear this critter swings 6" props at 30k+ rpm-s so I better watch out...

More to come soon. Very Happy

fredvon4 Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:21 pm

Please sir..do NOT .."It was exemplary and made me totally embarrassed and obliged!"

I am blessed to have a lot (too much) of stuff....way too much for me to play with any more--- and it all just sits here gathering dust as I morph on to other interests and hobbies that my beat up body can manage and enjoy

Each little care package meager selection of goodies has a few pearls and a few worthless items ( that control handle is only worthy of hanging on a wall IMO)

I know your angst with Norvel and love of your 300+ Hour Cox.051...so Obviously YOU needed a newer low time Cox .051, a near perfect NV .049 and to really torque with you sensibilities the Fora NEW unrun .049 Combat engine will mess with your mind once you get it broken in...., 36,000 RPM is possible

Love my Cox TeeDees but I was always a little mildly annoyed with your personal angst for the Lowly and Cheap NV .049

I do not have any belief that you will change your love of the Cox engines...I just hope you can heat the head...feed 35% vitamin N and fire the NV aero .049 and listen to it scream without a Tach and back away in modest fear......

those aluminum mounts fit the NV as well

The mount on the Fora is damaged but serviceable....( think I broke off one dinky screw when mounting)

aspeed Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:27 pm

Somebody loves you!!!. The Fora is from a combat plane, not a speed plane. It has the mount too. I guess you need a combat plane now. Fun stuff, I got a few to keep the adrenaline going. You know they are hundreds of dollars. Our dollars.

Jason_WI Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:30 pm

Incredibly nice thing you did there Fred. Those are some really nice engines. I’m sure they will be put to good use.

rsv1cox Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:33 pm

Please sir..do NOT .."It was exemplary and made me totally embarrassed and obliged!"

Fred means it. I got mildly scolded for returning a couple of rather pedestrian Enya's in tit for tat. I just like to see good deeds being rewarded and recognized. Fred is a good deed doer.

So greenies for Fred and Andras.....

Bob

balogh Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:41 pm

Thank you Fred, my bias with my certainly one-in-a-thousand faulty Norvel 061 is obviously also fired by some historical aversion against the - once - superpower (having occupied my country for almost 45 years while dumping all their industrial scrap on us), that makes them ...but I must admit - and I admitted here before - that there are details (RC throttle, muffler, fuel economy etc.) associated with the Norvels that surpass the merits of the COX TD...COX, on the other hand,. represents also a the political antidote to what was dumped on me for many decades, hence it may be valued with its merits magnified and demerits diminished....but this is a different story..

So I am open and very curious to learn how the Aero and the Fora will work out and do my best to make them just further gems of my collection, granted by a true friend.

I have read a lot about the success of Eastern European, Russian, Ukrainean etc. speed combatants winning many trophies with their engines made in their countries and am sure the Aero and the Fora will live up to their fame...(remember, my Norvel cylinder and piston were hand selected poorly with zero compression as new...the Fora and the Aero both display perfect compression, healthy pinch, high quality and workmanship!!!)...but independently from their quality I am really grateful Fred for your gesture of granting me these engines and parts..

Kim Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:10 pm

Bravo Fred and Congratulations Andras!!

I had no idea of the depth of Fred's conniving at the time, but it's great to be in on this clandestine operation!!!

Proud to be Fred's Scout Kim

fredvon4 Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:39 pm

Balogh...perhaps years ago when you were carping about you garbage NV I missed that you also had the anti soviet union bias...

That as a sponsor (my family) decades ago for a Romanian Family...I can certainly understand and be in solidarity with...

so... If after you get a few giggles from a few insane RPM runs and you want to erect a beautiful Hungarian display behind an Hammer and sickle red flag as you smash that soviet crap into slag....I will be first to be very proud of you

cuz Dear Balogh I get it!

The Russian Aleksandr Kalmykov that Makes Cyclon engines e-mailed me back and forth several years ago....US $281 for a Cyclon .049... then some spares and tools.... Western Union $365 US...he cashed it...not a word since 2013

so I have zero love for any Russian...

roddie Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:45 pm

All I can say is.......... I Love This Forum!

balogh Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:04 pm

Fred my issue with the Norvel could have been doctored and my bias dispersed had the US distributor of the engine (a guy named Dimitry?) shown some sign of honoring the warranty..but his handling the issue the same way I got used to in the Russian communist era did not help..

Such mishaps like yours with the Cyclon engine seller will affect our objectivism especially if we were personally victims in situations..I have no problem with people from Russia in general, much to the contrary, I made friends with severa of them in my power engineering business..but having had their political system and duress on our backs for so many years whilst being obliged to also consume what their -then- less than mediocre industry threw up helped a healthy bias grow behind the Iron Curtain..and with this experience in ones mind the smallest failure in their goods nowadays will give you a dèja vu feeling.

But again, that was a one off story with that single unlucky Norvel, and I am thrilled in prepping for the break in run of the Fora and let you know!

fredvon4 Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:13 pm

mind full....the blue or green glass propellers will sever a finger bone n all.....they can be broken in on a rubber ducky....recommended

balogh Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:18 pm

..thanks, been there and done that.. Very Happy

once a TD cut into my finger slicing the skin in multiple fringes way down to the bone..will use a black 6x4 COX prop or similar

aspeed Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:32 pm

I am not sure how the rubber ducky blades will hold up to the revs. Wear a face shield if you do? It is good to know names of guys that steal money. I got burned many years ago for a Supertiger X.29, and my wife still bitches about me mail ordering stuff. Even yesterday, and that was over 30 years ago. Carlos Aloise, and I know a couple other guys lost more than me. It sure ruins reputations for a long time and for many people that are presumed guilty before given a chance. As far as loving Russians, well, the mother in law was a Ukrainian.(not really a Russian?) I do like Norvels and Foras.

Ken Cook Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:04 pm

Alexander is a reputable person. He's not a thief. I can't speak for Fred's engine. Sending money via Western Union is a crapshoot . You take a chance when you send it and there's no guarantee that the person your sending it to is on the other end. Western Union offers no insurance for these transactions. I have made these transactions and it gives you a pit in the stomach when you hit send and you keep your fingers crossed.

NEW222 Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:51 pm

That is very kind. That is quite a nice little care package there. Should keep you having fun for a while. I still cannot believe that those 'glass' propellers are that strong, or is it sharp that they will do the damage mentioned.

balogh Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:04 am

NEW222 wrote:That is very kind. That is quite a nice little care package there. Should keep you having fun for a while. I still cannot believe that those 'glass' propellers are that strong, or is it sharp that they will do the damage mentioned.

Yes they are pretty strong and sharp so no doubt could maul my fingers...

getback Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:11 am

The Generosity on this Forum just overwhelms me , And that's what makes friends that you have never met shine like a diamond in the rust . Great package Fred and could not have gone to a better person!! Now just don't fall off the Forum like some people that have been surprised ! This Site Rocks!

fredvon4 Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:13 am

Andras Balogh should get a kick out of this and then explain

Tisztelt Hölgyem / Uram,
Köszönjük levelét. Engedje meg, hogy tájékoztassuk, Balogh András már nem dolgozik cégünknél, feladatait Dancsuly András vette át akit a andras.dancsuly@enexio.com címen érhet el. Az Ön üzenete nem kerül továbbításra.

Or he will decide this was very personal and chew my butt

Back story back in 2017 Balogh and I exchanges e-mails and I sent him some cox .09 stuff...so I had his adress and did not really need to enlist sleuths here on CEF...My CRS is so bad I did not remember the transactions so today I sent Andras a email and it bounced back with the above message

rsv1cox Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:11 pm

Lot's going on in Hungary today on both side of the Danube. Andras may be busy.

Bob

balogh Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:23 pm

fredvon4 wrote:Andras Balogh should get a kick out of this and then explain

Tisztelt Hölgyem / Uram,
Köszönjük levelét. Engedje meg, hogy tájékoztassuk, Balogh András már nem dolgozik cégünknél, feladatait Dancsuly András vette át akit a andras.dancsuly@enexio.com címen érhet el. Az Ön üzenete nem kerül továbbításra.

Or he will decide this was very personal and chew my butt

Back story back in 2017 Balogh and I exchanges e-mails and I sent him some cox .09 stuff...so I had his adress and did not really need to enlist sleuths here on CEF...My CRS is so bad I did not remember the transactions so today I sent Andras a email and it bounced back with the above message

Fred,

this automated message in Hungarian advises the sender of the email that András Balogh (myself) is not working with the company anymore, and his duties have been taken over by another individual (András Dancsuly) and your email has not been forwarded to András Balogh.

The story behind this is that I decided last year, that after 35 years spent with my former employer I left the company in June 2018.

As of January 1st 2019 I am working with another company and pursue a business that the owner of the previous company did not foster among its priorities, and only wanted to do half-heartedly..... that is worse than doing nothing.

Fred, please re-send your message to my private email also registered here on CEF: 1958citizen@gmail.com

Thank you. Smile

balogh Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:38 pm

rsv1cox wrote:Lot's going on in Hungary today on both side of the Danube. Andras may be busy.

Bob

Yes Bob its true Hungary is boiling and often making headlines in the European and sometimes US media, and not always to our benefit...we have a highly controversial government in its already 3rd 4-years term, and like in a bad soap opera, our politicians feel overly self-confident, they afford acts that more and more often blow the fuses in Hungarians and in the European Union both...just another melodrama episode in our romantic national history rich with latino fist-fights, sword-duels, tire-screeching car chases, and serenades under rose clad balconies...

**RknRusty** Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:04 pm

I have been, and still am, the recipient of much generosity from my friends at CEF, and I am in agreement with all who say This Site Rocks!

I want to pass along a hazard warning I learned from my Combat friends that certain types of Rubber Ducky props will often explode when they reach high RPMs of Cyclon, Fora, and even Norvel AME. There are are safe and dependable Rubber Duckies that can be clearly identified by looking for a raised marking on the blades.

These guys cut 6x3 and 5x3 Duckies down to less than 5" for 1/2A Combat, and the safest ones all have a raised boss near the hub, and it's shaped like a little smile. The safety tip props also frequently self-destruct at high RPMs.

Here is a picture of a Rubber Ducky with the smiley boss near the hub.
This is the prop you want to cut down and use:

Gifts to a loner from the Lone Star State Cox_0410

If it only has a smooth blade without that raised smile, save it for your Bees and Tee Dees, it's fine for sporting around.

Have fun,
Rusty

balogh Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:20 pm

Thanks Rusty I will definitely follow your advice..are the rubber duckies e.g. the black flex COX props that Bernie sells:

https://coxengines.ca/cox-.049-propeller-5-x-4.html

I like this one, it is in fact only 4.8" in dia and has a strong hub IMHO

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