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Little Traveler II .....May 19th, 2010
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Little Traveler II .....May 19th, 2010
After the success of the first Little Traveler, with it's 15 mile non-stop cross country flight, I decided to try again with a new model airplane and double the distance to 30 miles non-stop. Once again, we hoped to gather donations to benefit St. Judes Children's Research Hospital in Memphis, Tennessee.
Paul Salmon, a local helicopter instructor and all-around great guy, volunteered his Robinson R-22 as a chase vehicle. I'd guide Little Traveler II from the left seat of the Robinson for the hour-long flight. We chose the airport at Cairo, Illinois as our launch site, with our goal being the private airstrip at Painton, Missouri...handily, almost exactly 30 miles away.
The first Little Traveler was a modified Sterling "Minnie Mambo", and for this project, I chose another high-wing 1/2A trainer; a Cox/Sanwa "Q-Tee". I widened the body and stretched the cabane struts to make room an 8 ounce Sullivan fuel tank in the little plane. Like before, I used two of Bernie's Cox micro servos, one of his .049 engines...a "Black Scorpion".
After expending a lot of effort shaping the nose block, I decided that I wanted the tank further up front to help keep the CG acceptable as the fuel was used up. I blocked it out with scrap balsa and hollowed it from the inside to make space to move the tank forward.
It's color scheme was designed by Leroy and Destiny Atkins, the son and daughter of Cape Girardeau's Assistant Airport Manager, Katrina Atkins.
Unfortunately, we lost the Little Traveler II over the Mississippi River through a combination of turbulence and the copter's inability to fly slow enough to stay behind the little plane. Paul was force to "S" turn in order not to overtake the model, and I lost sight of Little Traveler II twice...the second time I spotted it, the plane had rolled into a dive and lost it's wing when I tried to recover it. While we lost the plane, we STILL managed to raise $1400 for St. Jude Children's Research Hospital in Memphis.
Little Traveler II's color scheme was designed by the brother/sister team of Leroy and Destiny Atkins.
Little Traveler II cruises through turbulent air above flooded Missouri farmland. A few moments later, it's right wing failed as I tried to recover it from a dive, and it plunged at full power into the Mississippi River.
The unrecoverable wreckage of Little Traveler II after it's crash into the flooded Mississippi.
Paul Salmon, a local helicopter instructor and all-around great guy, volunteered his Robinson R-22 as a chase vehicle. I'd guide Little Traveler II from the left seat of the Robinson for the hour-long flight. We chose the airport at Cairo, Illinois as our launch site, with our goal being the private airstrip at Painton, Missouri...handily, almost exactly 30 miles away.
The first Little Traveler was a modified Sterling "Minnie Mambo", and for this project, I chose another high-wing 1/2A trainer; a Cox/Sanwa "Q-Tee". I widened the body and stretched the cabane struts to make room an 8 ounce Sullivan fuel tank in the little plane. Like before, I used two of Bernie's Cox micro servos, one of his .049 engines...a "Black Scorpion".
After expending a lot of effort shaping the nose block, I decided that I wanted the tank further up front to help keep the CG acceptable as the fuel was used up. I blocked it out with scrap balsa and hollowed it from the inside to make space to move the tank forward.
It's color scheme was designed by Leroy and Destiny Atkins, the son and daughter of Cape Girardeau's Assistant Airport Manager, Katrina Atkins.
Unfortunately, we lost the Little Traveler II over the Mississippi River through a combination of turbulence and the copter's inability to fly slow enough to stay behind the little plane. Paul was force to "S" turn in order not to overtake the model, and I lost sight of Little Traveler II twice...the second time I spotted it, the plane had rolled into a dive and lost it's wing when I tried to recover it. While we lost the plane, we STILL managed to raise $1400 for St. Jude Children's Research Hospital in Memphis.
Little Traveler II's color scheme was designed by the brother/sister team of Leroy and Destiny Atkins.
Little Traveler II cruises through turbulent air above flooded Missouri farmland. A few moments later, it's right wing failed as I tried to recover it from a dive, and it plunged at full power into the Mississippi River.
The unrecoverable wreckage of Little Traveler II after it's crash into the flooded Mississippi.
Last edited by Kim on Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:27 pm; edited 21 times in total
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Re: Little Traveler II .....May 19th, 2010
That is a nice looking plane. I think I want to build one. RCM plans also has it. #625
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Re: Little Traveler II .....May 19th, 2010
Kim wrote:Just some photo's of the butcher job I did on an innocent little "Q-Tee" short kit from Fast Eddie at Laser-Works. The idea was to make it an endurance flyer for charity fund raising. We lost the airplane over the Mississippi River on an attempt at a 30 mile cross country flight (with a helicopter as a pursuit vehicle).
Through a combination of turbulence and the copter's inability to fly slow enough to stay behind the little plane, I lost sight of Little Traveler twice...the second time I spotted it, the plane had rolled into a dive and lost it's wing when I tried to recover it. While we lost the plane, we STILL managed to raise $1400 for St. Jude Children's Research Hospital in Memphis.
Once I get back to my shop, I'll be able to post some numbers as to the widening of the fuse and nose. I DID extend the wingspan by one rib bay/side, and if I did it again would add sheeting to the top leading edge for a little more general strength.
Also, I saw an earlier posting that mentioned getting full size plan for the "Q-Tee". If someone could direct me to that site, I'd sure appreciate it! (got another kit waiting).
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Thanks Kim that's great but soooooooo many projects I was wondering if I could make it on a 45% scale for a tee dee .010 that would be cool.
Re: Little Traveler II .....May 19th, 2010
I also just managed to download a copy of the Q-Tee Plans. This is definitely on my build list. If anyone wants them just ask.
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Re: Little Traveler II .....May 19th, 2010
I found the original advertisement
I bet its going to be a nice flying plane!
I bet its going to be a nice flying plane!
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Re: Little Traveler II .....May 19th, 2010
Do you think that plane could be flown with a Cox .049 RC Cruiser Engine found here. If so what size prop?
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Re: Little Traveler II .....May 19th, 2010
I bet it would fly great on that engine. A 6x2 or 5.7x3 might be a good prop to start with.
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Re: Little Traveler II .....May 19th, 2010
I ran 6-3's of various brands on Little Traveler, and settled on one from Bernie. With the throttle option, you'd have a REAL cruiser, and with most of my testing, the throttle bodies seemed to like the 6-3 as far as getting a lower idle. The 6-2 would be interesting to try also, but I don't recall testing it.
You guys are gonna force me to start on that kit I've got stashed in the corner!
You guys are gonna force me to start on that kit I've got stashed in the corner!
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Re: Little Traveler II .....May 19th, 2010
Kim wrote:I ran 6-3's of various brands on Little Traveler, and settled on one from Bernie. With the throttle option, you'd have a REAL cruiser, and with most of my testing, the throttle bodies seemed to like the 6-3 as far as getting a lower idle. The 6-2 would be interesting to try also, but I don't recall testing it.
You guys are gonna force me to start on that kit I've got stashed in the corner!
No just buy some balsa and work from the plan.
What throttle is that? the ring or airbleed.
Re: Little Traveler II .....May 19th, 2010
The ring. I don't have any yet with one of these on them. The only one I have has the restrictor on the back.
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Re: Little Traveler II .....May 19th, 2010
Godsey3.0 wrote:The ring. I don't have any yet with one of these on them. The only one I have has the restrictor on the back.
Oh how do you find that? does the engine ever cut out at idle as airbleed engines are prone to especially when a little rich.
Re: Little Traveler II .....May 19th, 2010
It can be found on Cox international as either a pre-assembled engine or you can get one and put it on your back plate. This does not work with tanked engines. The engine runs very good if you naturally have it leaned out all the way. That way when you restrict the air both air and fuel is held back thus slowing down the engine. It doesn't idle it down a whole lot but it does drop it to about 5 maybe 4 thousand rpm. Very good way to kill motor too. This is the engine I bought.
http://coxengines.ca/product.php?productid=323&cat=39&page=1
Works even better if you can manage to pressurize your fuel tank. I have a pressure tapped crank case and it helped a lot.
http://coxengines.ca/product.php?productid=323&cat=39&page=1
Works even better if you can manage to pressurize your fuel tank. I have a pressure tapped crank case and it helped a lot.
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Re: Little Traveler II .....May 19th, 2010
Godsey3.0 wrote:It can be found on Cox international as either a pre-assembled engine or you can get one and put it on your back plate. This does not work with tanked engines. The engine runs very good if you naturally have it leaned out all the way. That way when you restrict the air both air and fuel is held back thus slowing down the engine. It doesn't idle it down a whole lot but it does drop it to about 5 maybe 4 thousand rpm. Very good way to kill motor too. This is the engine I bought.
http://coxengines.ca/product.php?productid=323&cat=39&page=1
Works even better if you can manage to pressurize your fuel tank. I have a pressure tapped crank case and it helped a lot.
Ive been aware of the product and how it worked since release but was contempt with my ringed engines but the idea of a little throttled cub or something to fly atthe park would be nice.
Re: Little Traveler II .....May 19th, 2010
I'm not sure how it works, but for me, it's a ton better than the exhaust restrictor types. This is the reason I installed a steerable tail wheel on LT II. Had it survived, I had one of these assemblies waiting for it.
I've since installed this throttle body on LT I (AKA Minnie Mambo) along with a steerable tailwheel, and have had a big time taxiing it around, and taking off at will.
You will need an adapter...either the plastic plate, or a plywood block with a routed space for the air tube.
I've since installed this throttle body on LT I (AKA Minnie Mambo) along with a steerable tailwheel, and have had a big time taxiing it around, and taking off at will.
You will need an adapter...either the plastic plate, or a plywood block with a routed space for the air tube.
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Re: Little Traveler II .....May 19th, 2010
nitroairplane wrote:Godsey3.0 wrote:It can be found on Cox international as either a pre-assembled engine or you can get one and put it on your back plate. This does not work with tanked engines. The engine runs very good if you naturally have it leaned out all the way. That way when you restrict the air both air and fuel is held back thus slowing down the engine. It doesn't idle it down a whole lot but it does drop it to about 5 maybe 4 thousand rpm. Very good way to kill motor too. This is the engine I bought.
http://coxengines.ca/product.php?productid=323&cat=39&page=1
Works even better if you can manage to pressurize your fuel tank. I have a pressure tapped crank case and it helped a lot.
Ive been aware of the product and how it worked since release but was contempt with my ringed engines but the idea of a little throttled cub or something to fly atthe park would be nice.
That's exactly what I'm working on. It has a 31" wingspan with RC throttle, muffler, and a steerable tail wheel. It's going to have gobs and gobs of power.
Should I start a late build log? EDIT* I think I'll do it anyway.
Re: Little Traveler II .....May 19th, 2010
i love the "carb" throttle, but have learned that it needs to constantly be checked. i was running the engine last night, and the trottle arm came loose, twas stuck at full rpm. thread lock should help
food (or nitro) for thought
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food (or nitro) for thought
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Re: Little Traveler II .....May 19th, 2010
Kim wrote:I'm not sure how it works, but for me, it's a ton better than the exhaust restrictor types. This is the reason I installed a steerable tail wheel on LT II. Had it survived, I had one of these assemblies waiting for it.
I've since installed this throttle body on LT I (AKA Minnie Mambo) along with a steerable tailwheel, and have had a big time taxiing it around, and taking off at will.
You will need an adapter...either the plastic plate, or a plywood block with a routed space for the air tube.
I havent used one but I know that it just restricts airflow.
Re: Little Traveler II .....May 19th, 2010
Yeah,
I knew it was purely an air-restricting control, but the theory of it's "throttling" or not was a subject of discussion on the other forum a while back.
It does work, and well.
I knew it was purely an air-restricting control, but the theory of it's "throttling" or not was a subject of discussion on the other forum a while back.
It does work, and well.
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Re: Little Traveler II .....May 19th, 2010
Kim wrote:Yeah,
I knew it was purely an air-restricting control, but the theory of it's "throttling" or not was a subject of discussion on the other forum a while back.
It does work, and well.
Ok i think it would be cool to have one of those and a product style backplate for the pee wee .020 i know estes were going to making prototype .020 backplates but they never came into production i wonder if they did would we have a .020 air restrictor now.
The carb one regulates air going in and the throttle ring regulates air coming out.
Re: Little Traveler II .....May 19th, 2010
I would love to have a product back plate for a Pee Wee
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Re: Little Traveler II .....May 19th, 2010
Godsey3.0 wrote:I would love to have a product back plate for a Pee Wee
Go to Ronald Valentine he has some non tank back plates for them they are lovely anodised aluminium. With fine thread needle valves.
PM me for his email address if you are interested or just visit his website.
Just type the name into google it'll come up.
Re: Little Traveler II .....May 19th, 2010
Where is the back plate at on his website?
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Re: Little Traveler II .....May 19th, 2010
Godsey3.0 wrote:Where is the back plate at on his website?
Sorry it appears they are not one there but he does have a space hopper .020 on there.
http://www.ronald-valentine-engines.com/85_Cox_020_Space_Hopper.html
Re: Little Traveler II .....May 19th, 2010
Hey, I want one of these throttles! COOL!
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